Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:106680 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 57886 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2019 00:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-wr1-f44.google.com) (209.85.221.44) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2019 00:06:53 -0000 Received: by mail-wr1-f44.google.com with SMTP id j16so25853wrr.8 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:37:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=fl+pGyAsCiHTmjvO12/2bOXxfmTiKbMex9643NWpn7w=; b=AkVW9phR6Cc7REYCnhi2nAKQQcj7R5Pn2KQq5+Q336puqcgTuS6WsPPQh1nuUzLMhW CDgwVCGeMEu09ZvtyVf08a0MbG7njDsM5YgApHMeJsHFpSNYiA7nAghGu+URS6p7FDC4 rppjhWqWju4Cc0eCAnar0ifzANCb2L5aE7+n9fn0cDoxxjNBIvMHFdP8zS83oPH3k/kN ODrRUsVjN7a6tOR2hCnYVKE6V6N36B+pYkyk8z5g1VDP1/U9Hg4vPxZ1P0Y23ZFIcr1M cEJQLZtvApv9pvuDFBJhPv/+ogNJIz6sKlwL9PB9CWDDn/vVQEGCt14ogqhguUD21koe 2aoA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=fl+pGyAsCiHTmjvO12/2bOXxfmTiKbMex9643NWpn7w=; b=LSWSW2B14YMb2JXnFzdmFahO3LWOWqMKDS+s78jw8t7bqdi4AorETfe+pFoR83ZTLC Eo9/TykZzqenUzuV7uvjXPfo69PFnuEHykWsJvyX6zAo2AJaSerGZZih31Z9obvUVxnF sNGv/kBDn4olZHDtSlx7UNfm1NwBSYVnJIvPT9TskXOEbcCqD9EiMyx6qNS4wlWPKqFq uJLRkeMU903qu9yqif7irvEKBOmaZa+75uduMsXXnoUcYoj4ftswA8fJ+bH9INxwxdIH NuW7FAzohb0etpXJBsbk1P6eymdpAG6H0GdNsIGWpe/9l7RtKI8LLqvRQ26ia5Ko3cHx aXZg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVQu3dbLqZwcVyEd8eVFOaTCyaUEuXBuXy3qDTEHswkoaNPB2PC exdQq4dRYzbBGndPCKV0Db56WuBc X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwRdxbsIMdYcZzbgeb4zPfLw4P5lyDnRHMHMjmoHqQ1aYuZQBF5MYVjeooky7R5dBMZek4reQ== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6606:: with SMTP id n6mr38703935wru.346.1566337025651; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.16] (cpc84253-brig22-2-0-cust114.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [81.108.141.115]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 91sm58934014wrp.3.2019.08.20.14.37.04 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:37:04 -0700 (PDT) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <000001d54e5a$02ac09f0$08041dd0$@roze.lv> <2b5588d6-d667-321f-22f1-46a22bb797c5@korulczyk.pl> <000001d54ea3$eb3480a0$c19d81e0$@roze.lv> <000301d54ead$b43e7b00$1cbb7100$@roze.lv> <59378662-77ca-0779-10cb-c25acf1b45ef@korulczyk.pl> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 22:37:03 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins) On 20/08/2019 22:18, Peter Kokot wrote: >> The approach was: add the deprecation notice in PHP 8, and remove short open tags in PHP 9 or PHP 10 (purposely left vague to get more support for the idea - as getting the deprecation underway is the most important move). >> > I guess we should really highlight also > such option and discuss this more rationally back then. Now, we have > postponed this until who knows when and also without any clear > guideline for what will happen with short tags if they will be ever > removed or not... I honestly don't think it would make any difference to most people who voted against. The counter-arguments people have presented, again and again, are not about the pace of removal, but about whether removal is needed at all. If anyone wants to revive this proposal in future, it is that counter-argument that they would need to understand and address. Regards, -- Rowan Tommins (né Collins) [IMSoP]