Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:106679 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 53846 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2019 23:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-oi1-f193.google.com) (209.85.167.193) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2019 23:48:11 -0000 Received: by mail-oi1-f193.google.com with SMTP id g128so5280848oib.1 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:18:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=GwOGX+vS3lYjLJUDVqLX4LYNdVIm63b3YVTkGtU1qgw=; b=rLn3pNMZsPUImDc4QTdQMp513j29KecFQ2H0hjl/buOmcjC61ubF6PFI9rp6h5ZqtO iQ0mTPAwUL0kjItUicHQBIhvcAcZtgAjAHvAIVVJvLH+al/g/oO7i0R+OURKArrsA3y0 Hr/10aC6OnstIuQ1BVjJO3CeCTArJijgI9E1POey1nH/6yiOnH+leHfY4MzfXTLFzCLo zrtlsBgc373gE0M+7AIv7Nd5mKsDRYU/DBl5mFsKp/ywJkghuf+BJS8lX8ybFSgV/35j 9zFMx8St327F2KHyzgXII4cqwqlm9mVtMHD7LV/w0KEHARGnuCUL56UE5dRxGOhi1O1Q BQww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GwOGX+vS3lYjLJUDVqLX4LYNdVIm63b3YVTkGtU1qgw=; b=tGMAjNwqvJiubjzY8g9qFTVV62ZSnZB3k9EkEXkKtfMRUgky/FH5JQJMssOijMtP6F dghI7zxtRBQ6cXzlhXctSlEX5VrK7N0DfoNWydtbehf1hp4qQzbE5PveNY8K977v+j94 vIfVloOs3nYyBHM1/gZnifK7dBEIg0/kxlCrLMLiRUtddgTwR8bBVnIpGnv5BVcq/MGT ghxOwLldxCgmh/ErLEZg7QrvDKfj/Xq3L9Da09Qe0NedgkZ2k5+WyfvTmJM8MICYuL0/ SIypDNwKMg+0vN02MZeE1jYqwny+BgfJeypDkat6tl/o4o549M4m02dQv1jBABoep2Yv RMFw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVtR2ZStasXfCd+MX2LJ0bzjwvh51ooqP4px5qiS9wEswOjIRHb QlPjjDn6EAA6HfiQfjrgKwtBJ/xtmlTlsTGdMoc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxrrL5GhOv+lO25lBEXvCdDXhftiZsr0lOkJcg1WNcR8psGnqNwZh9dE9FtTfH6QyTt/LeZb13mLGuEHz4AHek= X-Received: by 2002:aca:d09:: with SMTP id 9mr1569286oin.40.1566335904958; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:18:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000001d54e5a$02ac09f0$08041dd0$@roze.lv> <2b5588d6-d667-321f-22f1-46a22bb797c5@korulczyk.pl> <000001d54ea3$eb3480a0$c19d81e0$@roze.lv> <000301d54ead$b43e7b00$1cbb7100$@roze.lv> <59378662-77ca-0779-10cb-c25acf1b45ef@korulczyk.pl> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 23:18:12 +0200 Message-ID: To: Peter Bowyer Cc: Chase Peeler , "G. P. B." , PHP internals list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again From: peterkokot@gmail.com (Peter Kokot) On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 19:47, Peter Bowyer wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 17:18, Peter Kokot wrote: >> >> Let's simplify this a bit because I'm not sure I have seen anyone >> mentioning something like a PHP 10 milestone in all these discussions. >> If we want to get rid of some feature like this a very long timeline >> needs to be done and also major versions needs to be taken into >> consideration. > > > It does indeed, and this approach was proposed by myself and another person. > > The approach was: add the deprecation notice in PHP 8, and remove short open tags in PHP 9 or PHP 10 (purposely left vague to get more support for the idea - as getting the deprecation underway is the most important move). > > It met with deafening silence. > > Peter Then I apologize if your suggestion has been missed to do that like this (there were too many emails stuck in loops and probably time period of 5 to 10 years in the future is a bit problematic to understand, and last but not least a bit of an issue when there is a very clear feedback from people present since day 1 where they recommend something else). I guess we should really highlight also such option and discuss this more rationally back then. Now, we have postponed this until who knows when and also without any clear guideline for what will happen with short tags if they will be ever removed or not... -- Peter Kokot