Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:106670 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 5248 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2019 20:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-wr1-f54.google.com) (209.85.221.54) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2019 20:09:11 -0000 Received: by mail-wr1-f54.google.com with SMTP id g17so13290086wrr.5 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 10:39:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=qJWBiLapbJ2hRBe6d9fQjArcKN5qGs8vqxSk9N3A8n0=; b=XP4dF92ENgaYpm17Zp+lLKz5iAD7iu5Rcr+/dHQ+heJoMsGao952gv6bVhggdmQuMY Y9iiVZNU/MabjqLMcX00Dw+KszTr2lPkG4NMXVxin361KemyBa/Cb32Zz7DQhsGUBrLP z2aQdBaJest1zAJVGrf2higEkiRf0MnxWsDfHc4bVYCu0PdHUgrohnxHuOsVjmKoV9bD 4aQUeUKKg+zr3FpawCjBEZFZy9h/Z1oiXQGR4RVi3Z2HiXRbezqBo6kVDXtdeP0T1G9E qWLalda155RnMcmRye5f2K7ASwV6qGxNf8ViwRRgvYCsarB+1PsjZrfPp8B19jYfmVxi 6X5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=qJWBiLapbJ2hRBe6d9fQjArcKN5qGs8vqxSk9N3A8n0=; b=EjX8du7k0/hyDLdZVvxaCrwBcf2v2NYPSYE77bw0r1aorOzg/psw8JY7gk7ogtVRb7 JNx1YRo/mcHMGKc9THX6QOeIFm4OJNry0VDjAYlHsPdgVicUijTdhyJhXl5F7jqWNF+s p001GnAe4cy3ROtH55NXFxo2s15kED/rJkZdoSQ2uRDGp7a/gFA99cjUMLHhlulRXmKS W1erLdyEuekvqWog6VUe2d3GKbso0dhtt0Gd7mMXd7tSCtw1MWyoNi7N7QSiTYpRNUoS DbotIr3ycR0ZRAkNTrG4XI/sWHw1Wxazkq24M34OtS+FaaDPtS8raVjUhbPT02fB+OlH A9Pg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW8c2t1Zcari+dt5hi+Zzj4qVRbMavS3V9UWzqFkP5+BveFB/l2 3m/kyllh5UOfUP43ji7wesav0ox5 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyIiHwLT0XpAKGGyfJ74QdPNHuAJtl8eRnH0nNdNZAKRthkK4QsdlqgH2VqjXil4aIZYmUt3Q== X-Received: by 2002:adf:db01:: with SMTP id s1mr36920600wri.164.1566322762589; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 10:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.16] (cpc84253-brig22-2-0-cust114.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [81.108.141.115]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 39sm61602590wrc.45.2019.08.20.10.39.21 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 20 Aug 2019 10:39:21 -0700 (PDT) To: Internals References: <000001d54e5a$02ac09f0$08041dd0$@roze.lv> <2b5588d6-d667-321f-22f1-46a22bb797c5@korulczyk.pl> <000001d54ea3$eb3480a0$c19d81e0$@roze.lv> <000301d54ead$b43e7b00$1cbb7100$@roze.lv> <59378662-77ca-0779-10cb-c25acf1b45ef@korulczyk.pl> <0c52dfe9-0192-c643-12b8-8038ccf98910@gmail.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:39:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins) On 20/08/2019 17:56, Peter Kokot wrote: > Probably. But fact is that PHP opening short tags can be used. We can > enable them in controlled environments and use the short tags knowing > they will never be removed now. No deprecation warning is standing in > our way to do that now. And such code (or better put app) is honestly > now also not so bad. Because it will still work in at least let's say, > PHP 9 at least or considering the feedback and discussions for ever... > Also users who are already using short tags can now postpone the > upgrades for another ~5+ years at least :) I don't think anything has changed in that regard. If there's text in the manual that short open tags are deprecated then it was wrong before this pair of RFCs; if there's text in the manual stating other reasons not to use them (portability, possibility of mixing in XML, etc) then it is still just as valid as it ever was. If your impression was that the feature was already deprecated before the v1 RFC, and has somehow become *less* deprecated as a result of this vote, that may be explain some of the disconnect over the issue. As far as I'm aware, it had no such status, it was simply a feature that used to be more commonly used than it is today. Regards, -- Rowan Tommins (né Collins) [IMSoP]