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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:02:46 -0400
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To: Peter Kokot <peterkokot@gmail.com>
Cc: "G. P. B." <george.banyard@gmail.com>, PHP internals list <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again
From: chasepeeler@gmail.com (Chase Peeler)

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On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:50 AM Peter Kokot <peterkokot@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 14:51, G. P. B. <george.banyard@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello internals,
> >
> > This RFC has been declined with 56% in favour (30/54) and 44% against
> > (24/54).
> >
> > Two side notes to this:
> >
> >   - I seriously don't appreciate that the RFC has been edited *WITHOUT*
> my
> > knowledge to add endorsement names on the counterargument to the RFC on
> the
> > RFC itself  when the appropriate place would have been the counter
> argument
> > document.
> >   - As it has no clear supra majority (nor against nor in favour), this
> > topic should probably be put to discussion again in some way or form at a
> > later stage.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > George P. Banyard
>
> The number of things that got wrong in these two RFCs is
> extraordinary.

What was done incorrectly in regards to the second RFC?


> If anything the community, the internals and everyone
> involved got through a good thinking process so we have learned
> something from this in any way. I appreciate all your time and effort
> to move this thing forward and even for being so respectful towards
> Zeev, Rasmus, Dmitry, and Sara who have endorsed keeping them in the
> PHP and to repeat the voting with a better solution in this RFC.
>
> You say that like being respectful to people with opinion different than
yours is something worth commending, when it should be the default
behavior. In other words, you are implying that anyone that opposed this
RFC didn't deserve respect, so, congratulations to everyone for showing it
anyway.


> I think that now we need to fix the documentations out there. short
> tags will stay in PHP for at least another 10+ years, so maybe we
> should simply consider them not a part of legacy but a special kind of
> a feature. There are some parts in PHP comments and docs that needs
> this fixed and sorted out better a bit (probably - specially in the
> ini files itself etc).
>
> I think we should still discourage their use. We should be explicit in the
documentation that code which uses short tags might not be portable. Just
because they exist, doesn't mean we should suddenly change our treatment of
them when it comes to best practices. If there is any documentation that
doesn't make this clear, submit a bug report.

If you really feel that we should start treating short tags as totally
legitimate, then someone else with better knowledge of how to proceed with
that will need to provide advice.


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