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To: Derick Rethans <derick@php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility
From: zeev@php.net (Zeev Suraski)

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On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:14 PM Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In the last week(s) there has been a lot of chat about Zeev's P++ idea.
> Before we end up spending this project's time and energy to explore this
> idea further, I thought it'd be wise to see if there is enough animo for
> this. Hence, I've created a document in the wiki as a poll:
>

All,

Using a humoristic tone, I'm happy that finally internals@ is so unified.
I almost get the feeling that you may not like the idea...

On a more serious note, I'll keep the feedback on the validity of this vote
in just about every aspect (process, jurisdiction, anything really) to
myself, and say just two things:

- The P++ idea makes absolutely no sense in vacuum.  The reception around
this idea implied a decision between 'one big happy family' and 'a split'.
Since at this stage these are the perceived choices - I'd vote against it
too (which I just did, why not).  However, I believe it's a false choice.

- It will absolutely make sense to discuss it when it'll start becoming
clearer to everyone that 'one big happy family' is really not an option.
We'd be choosing how to soft split the family - granularly (2^n dialects),
into many editions (n dialects), or into two separate dialects with clearer
mandates (2 dialects).  I get it that it's intangible for many of us
(myself included, to a degree), which is why this idea is perceived as the
'evil splitter' for everyone to unite and rally against.  Maybe I'm wrong,
and the changes/features that I think are about to make it into PHP aren't
going to require any sort of split.  If that's the case - it's indeed a
horrible idea.  We'd only be able to see that a but further down the road.
It's definitely too early to spend that level of energy on it at this stage
- but at the same time, it will definitely make sense to explore it if &
when the reality I think we're going to be facing would begin to unfold.

I will not be responding to any further emails on this thread;  I'll
happily reply to private messages though.

Thanks,

Zeev

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