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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:56:40 -0700
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP direction and governance [was: Re: [PHP-DEV] P++:
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From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev)

Hi!

> I disagree that (as I take away from your last sentence) the current
> approach is better because it means people feel they have been properly
> heard. I can think of recent messages on the list from people saying
> that they don't feel heard.


I'm not saying we have perfect record in getting everybody heard
properly. I am saying shutting down discussions by rules ensures there
would be more complaints about people not being heard - because the
whole point of it would be not hearing people whose position is "against
the rules".

> Perhaps we can have more consensus around the questions "Are things
> going well on this list / with the PHP project in general?". If we do
> think the discussions here have not been ideal and some direction (which
> in an individualistic meritocracy is not easy) would help, then the
> follow-on question of "How can the situation be improved?" is of greater
> shared

"Well" is an absolute term which is hard to define. Certainly we could
improve many things here, but I personally do not think pre-committing
to not discussing certain proposals on merits would improve things.
> I feel you're interpreting things in a more black and white way than I
> did by changing the terminology to 'Rules'. I didn't use this word, and
> neither did I claim they were absolutes. Your last sentence is what my
> email said to my reading.

OK, maybe I misjudged the intent - in this case I'd like to see an
example of proposed rules, to properly understand what we're talking about.

-- 
Stas Malyshev
smalyshev@gmail.com