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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP direction and governance [was: Re: [PHP-DEV] P++:
 FAQ]
From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev)

Hi!

> I started for the same reason: to help the community pull together and
> argue less, by having a codified set of values.

The risk here however is for the document to be seen as a means to
"argue less" by way of excluding certain points of view from discussion.
That would not be a good thing. This is the main concern for codifying
such things - as soon as you have written The Rules, next thing that
happens is rule lawyering and instead of considering arguments on their
merits, people start arguing whether raising this or that proposal
violated the Rules and whether their opponents should be silent because
The Rules say so. This is tempting because arguing rules is usually
easier than arguing merits (The Rules are always the same and the merits
are always new), but winning on the rules is never satisfactory and
rarely healthy, because the other side always feels they have not been
properly heard.

> "Consider a proposal to remove a function from PHP. If PHP had a manifesto,
> heated discussions could be minimised:
>   * Does the manifesto say that maintaining backwards compatibility is more
> important than cleaning up the standard library? Removing it is not inline
> with PHP’s vision.
>   * Does the manifesto say that rarely-used functions should be removed to
> make the codebase lean? Removing it is inline with PHP’s vision."

But do we really want to pre-commit one being always more important than
the other in any case, no matter what? Do we want to pre-commit never
considering specific case on its merits and always be satisfied with
"The Rules say A more important than B, therefore function has to be
removed and you can't argue it's important because The Rules are
supreme, kneel before The Rules!" I certainly wouldn't feel satisfied
with such outcome. We can reflect certain philosophy and premises we
consider preferred, but we shouldn't pre-commit to it excluding discussion.

-- 
Stas Malyshev
smalyshev@gmail.com