Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:106463 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 63490 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2019 02:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO S15-GW102.mycloudmailbox.com) (207.126.101.39) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2019 02:16:00 -0000 Received: from relay301.mycloudmailbox.com (unknown [207.126.101.249]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by S15-GW102.mycloudmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 464Q0z6mg8z2StnJ; Thu, 8 Aug 2019 19:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from S14-MBX11-13.S14.local (10.40.132.19) by S15-MBX102.S15.local (10.40.140.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Thu, 8 Aug 2019 19:43:16 -0400 Received: from S14-MBX11-16.S14.local (10.40.132.58) by S14-MBX11-13.S14.local (10.40.132.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Thu, 8 Aug 2019 19:43:15 -0400 Received: from S14-MBX11-16.S14.local ([fe80::bcf9:6b77:6b88:14bb]) by S14-MBX11-16.S14.local ([fe80::bcf9:6b77:6b88:14bb%15]) with mapi id 15.01.1713.004; Thu, 8 Aug 2019 19:43:15 -0400 To: Zeev Suraski , Mark Randall CC: Internals Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] Re: Bringing Peace to the Galaxy Thread-Index: AQHVTj46dE+nmZrqi0ucOrdZt15xrKbx5LQ8 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 23:43:15 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5d4ca16b.1c69fb81.bcb4a.9e51SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.40.134.254] x-routingagent: Treated Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_f56eb54368474d32bd9cfb5c476048e6proposaltechcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CrossPremisesHeadersFilteredBySendConnector: S15-MBX102.S15.local X-OrganizationHeadersPreserved: S15-MBX102.S15.local Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Bringing Peace to the Galaxy From: truth@proposaltech.com (Todd Ruth) --_000_f56eb54368474d32bd9cfb5c476048e6proposaltechcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > ... > 3. Putting your apparent personal bias against backwards compatibility > aside - if P++ goes in the directions you're hoping for - towards giving > you the goodies on your wish list, why would you care if PHP still existe= d > without these new changes/features? > > Zeev I just want to express a personal bias - joy at reading the proposal. Our = php code goes back to approx 2002. We did get a performance improvement moving to PHP7 and it has allowed us to integrate with third party modules that were not compatible with PHP5, but it also required many, many hours that were not spent moving our application forward in other ways. I think = the #1 reason for changing PHP versions for us is security policy. If a PHP ve= rsion is "end of life" we must move on, no matter how much pain it causes and how perfectly acceptably everything was functionally running on the older versi= on. The idea of having code that works be allowed to continue to work is very, very appealing. I don't want people who want to go in bold new directions to be held back; the proposal seems like something that would help me sleep more peacefully while allowing the adventurous to proceed. Thanks! - Todd (usually quiet here) --_000_f56eb54368474d32bd9cfb5c476048e6proposaltechcom_--