Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:106462 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 61461 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2019 02:10:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw1-f54.google.com) (209.85.161.54) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2019 02:10:23 -0000 Received: by mail-yw1-f54.google.com with SMTP id l124so34794756ywd.0 for ; Thu, 08 Aug 2019 16:37:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Wdn/8SrNrbFbU0WeE7ywVnASxBiGd4RqWrE5n+i2dNk=; b=W9Jp5uJiTPrqgdfpWtLWw2to2nS2KtqoxARovODS1eEjaGQrkT/3Yfed4J3Ge1ogW9 8hEXbSCUityDgjk59+Fr9sZOdv2sQCJ3VrpPZUN8yAMicx8Xo54CAZok03yQU1z9I1cf e5oy7ZzC6Qx2ahTswsQ+8dhZFIDHBhjfxlL8aZ8JtnsLsb3uDSU/cJAMlx1u7STYzBan vHSBxBUJsls/mzNgi2hKkYA7XrWgOrejEP+wpDBWb99rdO+1WGtjY7K95NEhP1YtQw+z ILU1Tw+d0VaLVCDos7GBI50Vu29NRTeZeM5NQ2aRHP/ox+mhgEStLvSLEg2FkIVKF5hM CL+w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Wdn/8SrNrbFbU0WeE7ywVnASxBiGd4RqWrE5n+i2dNk=; b=SD5CkJTjfpbeO7YiXYdMGrvKP3YHoJxu+drSmkLCjVQdYul73qsJUot0Q770mwe292 kORiElhj/fiaBAsiAAComugbq8UfF9p9+e8icZQ1qyUECtLrdGncu+u8jy/ZbBhdLtfE w0JatjukFtaqnewP56tqvSsjof0dJo/WSYuG98wY4obh/gJXIckbzLb2SHeDCS5QPpRA tAcZGhz9X/rny4m1V2lWKbxEDZ+XfCOEuVGCzu6bUzvLjXdRYOnZ71+ju2GbZ+UNGjLA QVgGMlIUrOdFmN4X8TY3+vCyZ5LwvwZgoJfqP0agoD8BxRKtrlJHhppZIJTcYxYZg5t6 Y6Iw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVl8Q1G6rn0dO1xo3jaZzvShDik0q6y29vY9gfU42JYhrUOKL18 ZnjmzZeNle7dM2/WMIsAh+DI+NJTioo0l96cUlKVM20MFq8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyyugnQxqR4UP2WOotpWl2BDwbUb1lp5bOq5FOt++ziAfezRwBz2gWwJfkEcxHTgAbVMKgzXOGUIQM4TpWpREc= X-Received: by 2002:a81:3cc2:: with SMTP id j185mr12690182ywa.28.1565307459154; Thu, 08 Aug 2019 16:37:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5d4ca16b.1c69fb81.bcb4a.9e51SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 19:37:27 -0400 Message-ID: To: Zeev Suraski Cc: Mark Randall , Internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000011389e058fa38b93" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Bringing Peace to the Galaxy From: matthewmatthew@gmail.com (Matthew Brown) --00000000000011389e058fa38b93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 19:08, Zeev Suraski wrote: > 3. Putting your apparent personal bias against backwards compatibility > aside - if P++ goes in the directions you're hoping for - towards giving > you the goodies on your wish list, why would you care if PHP still existed > without these new changes/features? > > Zeev > Another userland developer here. I'd just like to share my abject terror of the idea that the language might split into two. Having made a toy transpiler (https://github.com/hacktophp/hacktophp) from Hack code to PHP, I don't think that's a good way forward either. The Python 2 => 3 migration is a good example of a language maintaining its popularity despite an uncomfortable upgrade, and I think that bump has helped secure Python's relevance for the next decade. Though PHP is uncool, it's still popular. Have faith that the community won't abandon PHP if the language improves. --00000000000011389e058fa38b93--