Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:106444 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 73320 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2019 18:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 28.ip-149-56-142.net) (149.56.142.28) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2019 18:24:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: thruska@cubiclesoft.com) with ESMTPSA id 5686F3E889 To: =?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b4me_Chilliet?= , internals@lists.php.net References: <1759114.DMe9nKvMbn@mcmic-probook> Message-ID: <33042d1a-84fd-c02a-5b8f-bb0a3942baa5@cubiclesoft.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 08:51:50 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1759114.DMe9nKvMbn@mcmic-probook> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again From: thruska@cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) On 8/8/2019 3:26 AM, Côme Chilliet wrote: > Le mercredi 7 août 2019, 15:57:02 CEST Chase Peeler a écrit : >> Pretty much everyone (if not actually >> everyone) that is against this RFC has stated that they don't actually use >> short tags, and do not advocate that anyone else use them either. > > This is what bugs me, the counter argument page from Zeev states «I never use short tags in any PHP code that I write, and as far as I recall - I never have. », > and at the same time «put hundreds of thousands of people through additional pain when upgrading.» > > Is there any data that support the theory that hundreds of thousands of people use short tags? > > Did anyone in this discussion stated that he was using them? I used to use them extensively right up until the first RFC passed (e.g. CLI scripts, personal web apps, and some production systems). Had several thousand references to resolve but I'm off them now, whichever way this second RFC round goes. Other people chimed in that they use them too in "legacy production systems." Open source userland development demands the long open tag. So any scans of open source, public repos is going to be skewed heavily against actual use of short open tags. You simply can't rely on Composer or GitHub stats to show real-world usage numbers in this instance. So, yeah, people use them. Also, just because a lawyer, a lobbyist, or an ambassador are themselves unaffected by some issue doesn't mean they can't represent a class of an underserved population to bring forth awareness, justice, or action. In many cases, they are in better positions with sufficient contacts to reach the right people to bring forth such things that would otherwise never come to light. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President I've got great, time saving software that you will find useful. http://cubiclesoft.com/ And once you find my software useful: http://cubiclesoft.com/donate/