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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 00:52:14 +0200
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To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@php.net>
Cc: Chase Peeler <chasepeeler@gmail.com>, Dan Ackroyd <Danack@basereality.com>, 
	Andrey Andreev <narf@devilix.net>, "G. P. B." <george.banyard@gmail.com>, 
	PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again
From: peterkokot@gmail.com (Peter Kokot)

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 00:38, Zeev Suraski <zeev@php.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 12:39 AM Peter Kokot <peterkokot@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for such a detailed response. Ok, I understand then. Then
>> next logical step here is - I would maybe want to use these awesome
>> short tags also then.
>
>
> No disrespect Peter, but I really don't think you understand (my position=
).
>
> I don't think there's anything awesome about short tags.  I don't think t=
here's anything evil about them either.  They are what they are, what they =
have been for the last two decades.  They didn't cause any damage to PHP, a=
nd they won't start causing damage to PHP in the future.
> Personally, I like the verbose version a lot more, I like the verbosity. =
 I'm capable of holding that preference in my mind alongside realizing that=
 others have a different preference.  I'm not missionary about my tag prefe=
rences, and neither should you.
>
>
>> So, why not enabling these short tags everywhere then and suggesting
>> in the PHP manual that they can be used again in PHP x.y version etc?
>
>
> As much as it's an uncommon use case - I think making PHP inherently inco=
mpatible with XML is not a good idea.  As I mentioned, personally I also pr=
efer the verbosity as well as the free PHP publicity in every tag.
>
> But a more fundamental level, I really fail to see any good reason to be =
spending our brain cycles on this matter (yes, I realize that we're waaay t=
oo late, but better late than never).
> This is a non-issue, that we suddenly made into an issue, and now we need=
 to discuss it, come up with pros and cons, debate them, write lengthy prop=
osals and counterarguments - and for what?  For dealing with a non-issue.
> Can we turn this issue back into the non-issue that it is?
>
> Zeev

I can do that. I just wanted to get some more possible explanations,
because there isn't any guideline why these tags are (still) in PHP
and why someone would want to use them (because this is the case
actually). Now, I think we all understand better here. No. 1 reason
they are (still) there is the legacy code support - understandable.
They in its core essence shouldn't be used and are discouraged further
on as manual suggests. Many languages would make these "obsolete"
somehow (probably) I think but ok if they are meant to be in, so be
it...

And maybe also for the community out there to understand this entire
issue better and the outcome of the RFC whatever it is when voting
ends.

Have a nice day forward...

--=20
Peter Kokot