Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:106428 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 8365 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2019 01:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tbjjbihbhebb.turbo-smtp.net) (199.187.174.11) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2019 01:11:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=php.net; s=turbo-smtp; x=1565822336; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received: Received:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:From:Date: Message-ID:Subject:To:Cc:Content-Type; bh=OJQ6ADlg41BnRLnc1BDAPK YPT7AbZd70xizjAiaM/Tw=; b=d/bjNavePs0sUtVSgD9hBvKSgX46IXm4dHUcZ0 X/0qLRDqFRZiY0hFXUdj6wLQMA4KvYBvboHu6eChsLMcTTkchwbBHzG1GyC+vBJJ kdaIh+kRlZQJINIEjotlXWlxQwunBwVNe7dyqEwSlftIgi/eDoNybTjAlL/2axF8 IBmuo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=turbo-smtp; d=php.net; h=Received:Received:X-TurboSMTP-Tracking:X-Gm-Message-State:X-Google-Smtp-Source:X-Received:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:X-Gmail-Original-Message-Id:Message-ID:Subject:To:Cc:Content-Type; b=jjC9wQBIOd4HWUJZOyoI0oWkbhgF7L91+dm/ahlPGf5igYHkLVnXfQtEhRJjtd clv07mm5JechmEl780D3u14k+58LlCcwu0HAJtv1qw0LKdKQI8SabuCOZXPmuKS2 mHKAIz6J3q9bOh2iq3o8nuj1Z7bsC1XFajR+KX+l25dqE=; Received: (qmail 34721 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2019 22:38:55 -0000 Received: X-TurboSMTP-Tracking: 5210005283 X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVsyg0t/oM5jWV+WOO3X7dk3CIVW3I805s5ie2CR+Iyr78SFQhz 4Ye3ekHzdA1STF7ASTuHbVr8GW4uwk2Wrtlvbyk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzwpM/l0dQT1fn2e5xaeiLfT/TelBQrdwXAlJoshkiaQXmA1x56G51UDhQuQ7rT/Iywi5sm2smDcuRL/RVxqSg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:1c5:: with SMTP id c5mr10193112qvt.97.1565217535048; Wed, 07 Aug 2019 15:38:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Z23F0sg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 01:38:43 +0300 X-Gmail-Original-Message-Id: Message-ID: To: Peter Kokot Cc: Chase Peeler , Dan Ackroyd , Andrey Andreev , "G. P. B." , PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002c42b1058f8e9b81" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again From: zeev@php.net (Zeev Suraski) --0000000000002c42b1058f8e9b81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 12:39 AM Peter Kokot wrote: > Thank you for such a detailed response. Ok, I understand then. Then > next logical step here is - I would maybe want to use these awesome > short tags also then. No disrespect Peter, but I really don't think you understand (my position). I don't think there's anything awesome about short tags. I don't think there's anything evil about them either. They are what they are, what they have been for the last two decades. They didn't cause any damage to PHP, and they won't start causing damage to PHP in the future. Personally, I like the verbose version a lot more, I like the verbosity. I'm capable of holding that preference in my mind alongside realizing that others have a different preference. I'm not missionary about my tag preferences, and neither should you. So, why not enabling these short tags everywhere then and suggesting > in the PHP manual that they can be used again in PHP x.y version etc? > As much as it's an uncommon use case - I think making PHP inherently incompatible with XML is not a good idea. As I mentioned, personally I also prefer the verbosity as well as the free PHP publicity in every tag. But a more fundamental level, I really fail to see any good reason to be spending our brain cycles on this matter (yes, I realize that we're waaay too late, but better late than never). This is a non-issue, that we suddenly made into an issue, and now we need to discuss it, come up with pros and cons, debate them, write lengthy proposals and counterarguments - and for what? For dealing with a non-issue. Can we turn this issue back into the non-issue that it is? Zeev --0000000000002c42b1058f8e9b81--