Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:106352 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 25402 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2019 21:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EUR03-VE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) (40.92.72.29) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2019 21:05:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=G7nt7BjWcloC3C0PPOQXNzCJeDGBCkr2/+YN/j6ZF4E=; b=RcOCi9q0GQx1B5t1n6W4INa+kR/fHgLFHQRRgQ/Ei1NBWR0nzp8Ud5jcI59jJIjW2pc0AhdqGkUfh/g4OvyBdM68Oxu9wLD/mYW+Fprd7iY/1BIzyyRQB+QUV3mPKBE657HEV+ILBfBouubdKlrW7e2VepoAZ0ZESpdljKsGqyGHmybt+o2sqeAsa5ow8IBi7IjffazrR65XNsru5y8Tx9RV/VO71BPKMtPY+17L7lMLBMi8tDdZvVlS4SFBU80nzwBhbuicT650hFfynpM4UkrTog+yxWalTp3GHmH+uk+0FaO41yI4ak92cAitOLRpeKZOZwBeac+d4DYUFBjsjw== Received: from DB5EUR03FT052.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.20.51) by DB5EUR03HT123.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.21.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2052.18; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:30:03 +0000 Received: from HE1PR0902MB2154.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com (10.152.20.51) by DB5EUR03FT052.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.21.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2052.18 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:30:03 +0000 Received: from HE1PR0902MB2154.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::f990:ab55:673d:6b5c]) by HE1PR0902MB2154.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::f990:ab55:673d:6b5c%5]) with mapi id 15.20.2115.005; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:30:03 +0000 To: Zeev Suraski CC: Levi Morrison , Zeev Suraski , Nikita Popov , internals Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Explicit call-site send-by-ref syntax Thread-Index: AQHVRelH+CF4hOzg40G+/jdbleKtmKbhq2eAgABrggCAABAIgIAAcwqAgACr9wCAAAEiAIAANrAA Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:30:02 +0000 Message-ID: References: <9aba78c9-f04d-45b8-6c34-ad1c2472ef76@gmail.com> <75d04139-b944-f204-f988-959fa6f3e305@gmail.com> <8CD3B476-ABF9-4DB7-96D3-217064023854@gmail.com> <98616527-805f-3425-d292-1363be26730d@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-clientproxiedby: PR0P264CA0223.FRAP264.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:100:1e::19) To HE1PR0902MB2154.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:7:23::20) x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:7F8498F2F869CA50EFCFEA466E66CAA4836B30D1FFE74CAA5D577E1F05959D9E;UpperCasedChecksum:AC49F6FFB71B7D38F09C3D4205366D76E9394DD6C0A65B6DB78B31108D214804;SizeAsReceived:8615;Count:50 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) x-tmn: [Ivk4mU3w3lOWcBPwKRMgbHs59aWik5dLksznB+mK4EbsxSh+tDXoX2wjpmPiRC1i] x-microsoft-original-message-id: x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 50 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(2390118)(5050001)(7020095)(20181119110)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031323274)(2017031324274)(2017031322404)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045);SRVR:DB5EUR03HT123; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: DB5EUR03HT123: x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 3fjSlDUvOiZnbjhsK19HReiNSy8cApWjqtSFAL4AB+vyQZ8ig51813iWH35jHdIWIgieFuZbpQIQiw2oCwvRqYcl4mxWhZ1hYObeqYm4u2ejebGVwDCx/+Yy+RDWS7jlxeUL2/NkwmUlT8v5lQ0UHjY4v3nos4OEqkd68SZXyIJs/vxZPzwzRi4R7mTtxH0G Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <42E8CA297A7F5044B0A7C2F48A6B7103@eurprd09.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 08716047-e31d-48e6-0a86-08d7151bef81 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 30 Jul 2019 18:30:02.9752 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB5EUR03HT123 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Explicit call-site send-by-ref syntax From: bobwei9@hotmail.com (Bob Weinand) > Am 30.07.2019 um 17:14 schrieb Zeev Suraski : >=20 > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 6:10 PM Levi Morrison > wrote: >=20 >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 10:55 PM Zeev Suraski wrote: >>=20 >>=20 > I think ignoring people is totally acceptable behaviour on this list. May= I >> remind you that in the not distant past this list was called a toxic >> kindergarten and other similar names by former and current contributors? >> Simce we have little policy on ejecting toxic contributors, ignoring peo= ple >> is the only way to keep sanity. >=20 >=20 > It is not acceptable, period. If we need to pull rank with group@ here, > we will. >=20 > Zeev You can either silently ignore somebody or announce it. You may consider it= a courtesy to have it announced so that they don't wonder why they are not= being replied to. For me it's perfectly fine. Sure I wouldn't be happy if anyone said that ab= out me, but I would have to accept it. Everyone is free on his own who to listen to and who to ignore.=20 It's not up to you alone whether it's acceptable. Maybe it isn't for you. Y= ou're free to say that. But it's definitely not up to you to threaten, as a= n individual, with "group@". You are not a "we". I'd appreciate if, now and in future, you would respect everyones free will= in that regard; thanks, Bob=