Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:106277 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 17283 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2019 06:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-wm1-f48.google.com) (209.85.128.48) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2019 06:28:21 -0000 Received: by mail-wm1-f48.google.com with SMTP id x15so40374978wmj.3 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:51:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-language:thread-index; bh=PZZXlUPIBc79+hTVWt8zzyWNDs8uNELMXqawGiKgWSY=; b=D7VXecDr4ZGqvBpY+GaCKLdJ5ybk4utN6Be9V9goepJkxp/e0mrFwKJA9DDqh/3OJH R8ptc1iGiGuvBgqGetPKHXkWs//avKYQIDatemcdFljigOyY9YB+1XvvydeVB4ju85gl /gN1Kq4kEkawcl2pb16N1JpoP2NCjgvdus1WUQWx1EBMXLEYyzuRXTmP0REFLvCuwYx4 fhqw09tx2ZrFbau8OthhtrwiY6O7Sj7Fx1fyXqD7q1FCDzFTxKztASgf6DKv+9K3sFCB 6uXe1Ccj/1JinNj1xyywiRuyE6WRAhIqYgenwkm8DFvkeoFtKN4NBWvAbWKXyu6DKoR5 1gqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-language :thread-index; bh=PZZXlUPIBc79+hTVWt8zzyWNDs8uNELMXqawGiKgWSY=; b=ADSybrtSplLXc2D/SQqPZ/MWBz4gyYg2h8Hw7WL16FD37nRFB1xXt+GUcQle8lvdmZ qHOo8NZCyqilwjIGt3X7KEknA1EhQE3n04t+L/6fv7efhquPxaxFLx7UoAjVOv+372pk YxuLrpHvfmBetnNOdcdvdPF/8YeaCg3gnwsuHGu5Ed6pa4stlTglfpp1Za+XfJFehkHz 8iI6I7fZasHoPyqupt0yrzkPmQiZDa0y2aOidsPl6Fzgqyuh2m1Ghqu3n2WfkoqqTL5T tFtSRn463Fw/J86VfZqH8KvNEYA79P86VBWyLRRqNKbPHGuMoBzbAGCUcDaH0WLWmneZ 6rEw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXIOCwwJjOulsOKWh5DyHp2MiC/3PqVm8Vq6tggCY2+uFxHymrz vu4ypoZKaXD8YPCeSQ0pEgs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzXmaiSA6tHzg/+1gEnAxjIo1WCpsw2dBoMUEklLD+la+HWVVZajROnL2NO6+Ck/3iSOHGfYw== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:a6d3:: with SMTP id p202mr73354939wme.26.1563940298821; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eCenter710 ([37.142.6.27]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o24sm51151468wmh.2.2019.07.23.20.51.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:51:38 -0700 (PDT) To: "'G. P. B.'" , "'PHP internals'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 06:51:36 +0300 Message-ID: <00f201d541d3$1863db80$492b9280$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: he Thread-Index: AQDvdyqZOGEcm0cGOt6xidNxRz1kCqiktLaA Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [DISCUSSION] Deprecate PHP's short open tags V2 From: vsuraski@gmail.com > -----Original Message----- > From: G. P. B. > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 8:55 PM > To: PHP internals ; Derick Rethans = ; > Peter Kokot > Subject: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [DISCUSSION] Deprecate PHP's short open tags = V2 >=20 > Hello internals, >=20 > Due to the controversy after the initial vote on the Deprecate PHP's = Short Open > Tag RFC [1] here is a new RFC to deprecate them written with the help = of Nikita > Popov . >=20 George, Thanks for creating a new RFC instead of going into a bit of a = procedural limbo. I appreciate that. Everyone, Much of the feedback for v2 was around the problematic idea of changing = behavior between 8.0 and 8.1, but little was said on the premise of the = proposal itself. Much like the original RFC, the rationale for this = deprecation remains quite weak. The differences are that it's clearer = now (3 separate motivations were rightfully condensed into just 1), and = the bogus motivation that this would somehow simplify the parser was = removed. But same as with the original RFC - this RFC creates the = impression of a problem that doesn't really exist, and then provides a = way of fixing it - while the 'do nothing' option remains a vastly = superior outcome in terms of gain vs. harm. The simple reality is this: - Absolutely nothing changed about