Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:106248 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 39039 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2019 08:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pf1-f181.google.com) (209.85.210.181) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2019 08:21:41 -0000 Received: by mail-pf1-f181.google.com with SMTP id t16so18513851pfe.11 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:44:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:openpgp:autocrypt:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Uyel7wae0rxxcD4MGbeBHRzx9dL1ijCgw2DGfQBOJPY=; b=FedegtVOVa9aRULGNT+NZLkPi1qWpOZW/J8ty4wZcIvKUxJUOXiHdz7g4wnqWdp8A+ QavSevo9oUdJ+rhdSG3xDzMKrX7TnJhualLZ42KYbC8yYirQNxyp3gLQ9pYT4yK2FOwe r8JZDBdjkAZx5O9xRveR6UzYFJbkfyeq3UND+M0/AFEHgx7aLUR/HaxYih4MuEftSaEi r1ez8r1FuxGPZNbeWfi/SDxjgCwD8TmRIclR0yNLWYOVgh69jv9NbKMqGfP4gwBrDeCX xfhDB+Cg9PGjUNb+egR1sdb8AMEDBGJZqwQYrMXAjw5ngfiIAB4zTwnk+Aw+WaKpyJTL OXYQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:openpgp:autocrypt :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Uyel7wae0rxxcD4MGbeBHRzx9dL1ijCgw2DGfQBOJPY=; b=MHoO2i1brgY7dN/x99dPsj4epBVgUMFMwwo/fLwtYIolHs8VDAWYAK2pG6OYKidjDT z5pbAkvO/rrcmgZb2yg+zEsXgamj+zCPow1fniiOZUpii2+4mPBPnyCJVXWmWKu8YRH3 +dqtKgJ2lZGC3nI6ercwhZUV+BZAeKUNwj9xZq22ATuYRLWuFpt1hrIJFMFdij46fLVf CXX7p6N2e+3Vd+I274brKTi1Xee+syMUNxBkzb2BjJi9mCjZX5IeZtHMyLPGoDgURGZC MqGP9X3vYb+GO+uqlyHpN0bZTjbeIUVdUTwTwBC7S8sACKLycpgMTqc20ibhMZe66MpI bMbA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWiXKzbap16uU4sJIh5iBeA+Wh0oSpzV9rN/G8pAg49vObK9ejs niTm3tKYJN5wN9J83cexf23w1KOHdw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw1wBsEoZan9LjEtscy85KrJayBNkGuqku308SfjHngOu7pw6sZeh05r9F9uFGHaUPe0sVTCg== X-Received: by 2002:a62:7d13:: with SMTP id y19mr3957700pfc.62.1563860685022; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Stas-Pro-2016.lan (c-24-4-176-254.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. 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Cc: PHP internals References: <2311901d53767$1c5aa780$550ff680$@gmail.com> Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=smalyshev@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQMuBE9mqaARCACFSqcGmNunkjQQu3X+yXnTmFeEkvM4JXZTOBdR8aEevNGmmFEfyvjaDjWi 9hcwp4E/lYtC+P7VsVjM1OSX9eq0jC/lGL0ZyRXek+mNy0n5H1NSuTpf9Y18LMqhc4G+RU+L cNiZ9K0DJuOOvNLPxW7OHZguxb3wdKPXNVa2jyRfJAKm2uaJJMT1mTmFT9a0Q8SKr+mUrrJk uG0H2o6SzrKt8Wwoint1eh67zVsJaJtQFchnEZnlawIcqP2yC4nLGR3MkubowxoEBYCZet18 aHVVRbvpG2Qtob8Lu5xrsGbmXymTkHTdpvkfcJFADa8MzOL90zOxXwbGfbIZOlh5En8jAQCX lfnx2eQL3BSW/6XANa51dbWiEp1d1BAkpGKtZvlk0Qf+M9WAi+9aXMe3xP5krxtgnRNUf2WN 6Zdy2MxL1RRJCFbytLhl0ronC49BsGYVGshdEH8xhBbiIOJKuVZ/DTl9bEm7P9c7CC7iJyVC khUAhouH6xzZQNLR+RU+QebYzXypVfl99Qk7EdMmr/WAZCHLuvanyqepC5EBsa3VnAfQemSN oBeGBKWWLiOsPjvS72+y1z4RUMAfXHn4l/sFMt8zt7/74AmJPwZquV41p4mPO12V4+xPyc6R sB84sfsk2QVivU8w8AkvGQeYjXoz7Iwao95+fWteVzZ36KRQvUckP8pGjHlDXnHxJ0HI1I/k OBZSjwRwUf0dd73y6erPhbLk+gf+NdI3H9KGJBzG5/rVyWKwUeQ9d5ud4jTJRkQGvAP5pg76 vEa9dogbpe4W5Z+0BfbiJSnQmQWSHiZddj/t33ptbup44Ck6ZTgdlmFYMLF1hR47PIZTDKER EuKYGci/vq8snZvEJP9YCw/TtiHcMdrMKcY/+Lp8lQO0GHLPB9glVhnC0db6l1Xpg1CMI8/R ozBMcij30EgATggC/y2zbiqAFoS9FN9nXPbe4phStqABEyeZ+nXudt7PUYTjVgcrqo8bHZCi sBobWC7OnKyUzxVxzUeuPkIfmZuzkLaMw2McQdvwwsNvQ0DzaLP30c1Xsm/7EIYJcOWpzlVJ 5QrdmE0/BbQyU3RhbmlzbGF2IE1hbHlzaGV2IChQSFAga2V5KSA8c21hbHlzaGV2QGdtYWls LmNvbT6IegQTEQgAIgUCT2aqtAIbAwYLCQgHAwIGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQL3lW vF2gS12XMwD9HuRIolSwIK77u8EY461y2u6sbX36n5/uo/LDQuxoi3sA/0MvpnvzOhv9Iufv vsZEj3E7i3h+iD5648YMwfTFCij+uQINBE9mqaAQCADfZPMpjZkkGZj3BY/7ApoLq4mwqzbh +CpLXwNn20tFNvSXfb8RdeXvVEb7Scx+W9qYpiaun2iXJgCVH8fgpZpR856ulT1q6uCG++CX ubEvip/eJkZl93/84h04KQJwsgOrAh0Om3OePRn8Pr+++0LNS0EL8uX/YHeTOGOnnmTqYTey SBVFdov6L4mepddfjekicKQqhL7mZh/xuq29JijT0uNNX8v4vDWQDu5dlAcdd+uB3gcXMD/P ginD11zp+6wtrWCm/+yBqpvDwXQX5PGUnwvbRfl7Ay3MmwmoXiecZMg0dwTSc7e0lhB4HGRH ZdBMJB4rHUVGdzqujK/ctOvrAAMFB/0Utb76Qe6sCMlHxVAmeE/fbo7Pi05btZ/x01r67dHf aMSP0riCKJ7M0OW+jAXtu9+z/BVnYisW67WWfxl2cS5tZDgiHgJARXWUOO72+sScHP8KQmTl 1z16gyKbwY3SmyBkwcpOL35nhUWNLy93syPoY6sZUTikr2bZYukHDQ33XBPs4e6MbWKfsa9q aVmnlOF3k5UqChjutfHaEa4Q7VP4wBIpphHBi9MI16oJIzzBPbGl2uoedjwiZ6QeQZnSuOVY ZxU2d3lRA8PrtfFN1VSlpEm/VcAvtieHUYWHN0wOu+cp3Slr5XJVNjTjJhl28SlinMME54mK AGf2Ldr/dRwXiGEEGBEIAAkFAk9mqaACGwwACgkQL3lWvF2gS126EQD/VVd3FgjLKglClRQP zdfU847tqDK4zJjbmRv5vLLwoE0A+wbrQs7jVGU3NrS0AIl5vUmewpp2BKzSkepy23nWmejw Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:44:43 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: hebrevc() and other 'contentious' 7.4 proposed deprecations From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > The reality is that right now, the PHP project somehow became > deprecation-oriented, and lost its long established guideline of bias for > downwards compatibility. Hear, hear! I am positively astonished at so many RFCs trying to deprecate so many functions in PHP. Who does it help? Who did those functions hurt? I understand when we're deprecating something that does not work or has too many broken uses to use it right, etc. Sometimes we recognize we made a mistake and have to get rid of it (magic quotes!). But doing it just to "reduce the size of standard library" looks to me completely contrary to what PHP has always been about - going extra mile to make it easier for the user, even at the cost of redundancy. We're not one of those slick code golf languages where you can write witty one-liners that do something you won't remember next morning. We aim for people that actually do work with the language. Which means, we provide them with tools handy for various tasks, and we are very conservative in breaking their code - only as the last resort. So I must say I'm rather disappointed with the zeal people are voting for removing functions that hurt nobody. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com