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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ClassHints and NULL
From: hans@velum.net (Hans Lellelid)

Hi Marcus,

Marcus Boerger wrote:

> Hello Hans,
> 
> Friday, June 18, 2004, 9:15:47 PM, you wrote:
> 
>>>>Of course, namespaces are more important than anything ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>hehe, could you live with packages?
> 
> 
>>Probably! yeah :) -- what's the difference?  Are namespaces more like 
>>what's implement in C#/.NET (i.e. no necessary correspondence between 
>>namespace and actual assembly used to provide them) and packages 
>>something more like Java?  Forgive my ignorance & if there's already a 
>>thread on this, just say so :)
> 
> 
> something alike but without inner classes (of course)
> 

Well, in short, I'd be very strongly in favor of anything that would 
solve the name collision issues in PHP.  The current PEAR system of 
building classnames from catogires (HTML_Template_Flexy) is IMHO a huge 
& clumsy hack.  I think the lack of namespace support is the main 
(perhaps only) language barrier to packaging & distributing libraries.

I'm less concerned about packages (if that means Java-like systems of 
mapping namespace to filesystem), but if this solves the problem then 
great (!)

 From reactions I've read from people using PHP5 now, namespaces is one 
thing that people are *really* hoping makes it into CVS for 5.1.  I'm 
certainly one of those people.

That's not to take away from the fact that everyone appreciates all the 
fine work you've done with PHP5.  I certainly do.

Cheers,
Hans