Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:105897 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 54469 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2019 15:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chocolate.birch.relay.mailchannels.net) (23.83.209.35) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2019 15:07:58 -0000 X-Sender-Id: s0seqk11zu|x-authuser|lester@lsces.uk Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B7D21447 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from draco.thewebhostserver.com (100-96-11-129.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.11.129]) (Authenticated sender: s0seqk11zu) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id ED8BE217F9 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:21:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: s0seqk11zu|x-authuser|lester@lsces.uk Received: from draco.thewebhostserver.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [185.38.44.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.2); Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:21:05 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: s0seqk11zu|x-authuser|lester@lsces.uk X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: s0seqk11zu X-Bottle-Squirrel: 362e59e37d8cfe33_1560428465775_908328319 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1560428465775:1806701335 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1560428465775 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lsces.uk; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=FMWKJWBVNMMf89X/VKpJyqYpTyibXOH/xL0gde2n/G8=; b=BBEq7f+okRowUEjaTHvCtpforK 647sbPPkiPtIUm4aYcM8AgAjYSLqaF7/l5d30LP8ulD6ymGLwkKLiIWLXlNR+8Bjvyk5iZGt0LnIN oTZCWHgMzW9YB95r7pXmQ7LPySmqNVhUbEjo69g9woJfhGYOa4RmHEWYqprU8dtZEZ9tW/UibJ0PK NVkq0JXnRcGCXQ5atqP/LlPT4dEOyDr3DRuWdKRJY7V/9lhwgmd9FZwaVecI7RamE3yOFYV/Gg7Ou uHq5/a8GfiOSM7ION07379JJj6nqvwq+LiN9JzKez0jXIYo5yTJ5TjvBG9qBdmP4KiQqsFkUI0Avl tQ53XcOw==; Received: from static-87-75-107-50.vodafonexdsl.co.uk ([87.75.107.50]:49816 helo=[10.0.0.7]) by draco.thewebhostserver.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hbOiu-000fqu-Fs for internals@lists.php.net; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 13:20:56 +0100 To: internals@lists.php.net References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 13:20:56 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-thewebhostserver-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-thewebhostserver-MailScanner-ID: 1hbOiu-000fqu-Fs X-thewebhostserver-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-thewebhostserver-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-thewebhostserver-MailScanner-From: lester@lsces.uk X-Spam-Status: No X-AuthUser: lester@lsces.uk Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The real world ... From: lester@lsces.uk (Lester Caine) On 13/06/2019 13:04, Andrey Andreev wrote: > You have logs to see the errors; relying on your users to report the > actual error messages to you is the worst way to do it. How many website logs can you manage on a daily basis? Given the volume of material in heavily used website. I am STILL trying to get long established sites back to a state where that would be a practical approach. Especially when adding material is first element on the to-do list. I've several hours of such work to get cleared first and prompts in that traffic is easier to manage than then working through several machines worth of logs ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - https://lsces.uk/wiki/Contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - https://lsces.uk Model Engineers Digital Workshop - https://medw.uk Rainbow Digital Media - https://rainbowdigitalmedia.uk