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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 13:13:33 +0200
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To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@php.net>
Cc: Dan Ackroyd <Danack@basereality.com>, PHP Internals List <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags
From: george.banyard@gmail.com ("G. P. B.")

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On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 16:53, Zeev Suraski <zeev@php.net> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:19 PM Dan Ackroyd <Danack@basereality.com>
> wrote:
> > Please stop doing this.
>
> I will gladly do so, once the project starts behaving responsibly again.
>

Honnestly, this comment right here Zeev just makes me want to not
compromise at all.
I think you seriously lost any hope there was that I'm going to put back
this to a vote.

Why the hell should I start compromising with someone who thinks the
project, and by
extensions the contributors to the project small or large, don't behave
responsibly?!
You say that this deprecation is an insult to our legacy users but you just
casually
insult (at least in my mind) the people who make this project live on.
Or are you just remicinent of ye olden days where core devs decided willy
nilly what
ever they want to do with the project? Because I though the whole idea
behind the RFC
process is to prevent this "closed club" of core dev who can decide
whatever they want.

Also you go on about how 2/3 majority is to small when you self used even
lower margins
to get RFCs accepted. From what I know nothing prevented you to asked a 90%
acceptance
rate on all the RFCs that you proposed/co-authored if you felt that strong
about "consensus"
as the Voting process, to my understanding, only asks for minimums.

And if you think I'm being unreasonable here, well I'm not because my RFC
passed fair and
square while having a longer period then what was required at the time
(which funnily enough
you also love having small voting windows).
And do you think it would have been resonable of me to come complaining
about how my vote
failed if there would have only been 66% in favor instead of the 2/3? You
would have had no
problem then to say that it failed no more discussion needed instead of
draging this along for
about a week after the vote ended.

I was willing to compromise a lot but with all the respect I have for you
Zeev, your sheer arogance
just made any major compromise not a thing I want to pursue anymore.

I'll accept amendments to how the deprecation is handled and implemented
with any ideas that may
arise on the nikic's thread on how to handle it.
And if an RFC amendment is needed I will personaly only accept a vote on
HOW this RFC is implemented
and not a vote on IF this should be done.

And if you are not happy with this, blame yourself.


Best regards

George P. Banyard

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