Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:105414 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 60808 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2019 00:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-wm1-f50.google.com) (209.85.128.50) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2019 00:35:27 -0000 Received: by mail-wm1-f50.google.com with SMTP id h18so7159129wml.1 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 14:36:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=devilix.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Uc6MJM10J3mS2cMIyc2kn1IvKAaory99nopYkf3J+wk=; b=Ufzvs70FeUWjL9mGmntfRy0ea6KPkZuLTuWsdRpPqSLY8pgDk5Uhjgycbqd0CZoF8T bxh4ViMyBwNq5RZuoWhXGclEaJov8nru6qWDsKNYfXgV3ROKKZSgY7x9lHDKzslTYU8I uIF8vto39ApsiQihTl1cxG/NQbBr5pMvqGW6c= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Uc6MJM10J3mS2cMIyc2kn1IvKAaory99nopYkf3J+wk=; b=tOWTDYivZV3Tj6Nl1NVO1MFhgbuBxfGM2zBlLNG3nl6YwC6Umyt/LWIJj8t+mJDrOb LLfK9OpttvUExZ7D6Mx/WQn9UFEwfs9G93uJ19/PS0EcHemE69hQgSLJ2OI0LOGjZdZN 3jZ+jlxYXdQFVajaFxvfNynbAPOYXMvd/Eyb+epZjkf8OVErN+09TKNI81GbjGAVNGEO HiQgmP7L4BPkeyRt5Qlw2mU0hvKQdLxZbmWR3O3yfMJXEie1VjPBwMpuijpm46PBNLRY 85k/+9ihX2vWYelEgot3QLJBv0inot/Mp+jBHt4aj5J2481zrfJ267kY1TNx7NgJ0RWN h0xA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW4UiSebakDDiDEnE6iOCL6NOD7ueavv+g1UthfLgxNM1KHL1Kz 5rzeNklBfc6lYxvqWVbzghqXj8/Fle/7A7IdlmjWKnr0 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyXJY/YguLcYB5VIE3YUnHy93n6s5CPDJaCWSEEXIdhmI/psjsK3RsneJjkD9ujlqa28VQBiAeuEd0VBDYXmas= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:c004:: with SMTP id q4mr762608wmf.131.1556141771034; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 14:36:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0ec42fa9-77d1-a203-8425-e72fdd5071f3@korulczyk.pl> <06473788-a34b-f041-36e6-31d19d8dda4c@cubiclesoft.com> <59cafbfb-2bb0-468c-458f-74bcac780e0f@korulczyk.pl> <004c01d4f09f$880ac320$98204960$@roze.lv> <004401d4faa3$60f83700$22e8a500$@gmail.com> <562844948.628797.1556121791361@email.ionos.de> <237591f3-0b9c-21f8-3e0b-77f811e4f9a6@telia.com> In-Reply-To: <237591f3-0b9c-21f8-3e0b-77f811e4f9a6@telia.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 00:35:59 +0300 Message-ID: To: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags From: narf@devilix.net (Andrey Andreev) Hello, I personally am not happy with the outcome of the vote. I think there's no practical benefit to be gained from the proposal and I don't even understand what has urged the author to make it; I voted No on both questions. However, what's done is done and these post-vote protests are getting ridiculous. Where were you all during discussion and even during the voting period? I only remember a single person's rant here and barely any comments on social media about it ... The people who voted Yes may have weak arguments ("there's tools out there" isn't a good argument in my book), they may've underestimated the impact of the change or they may not even care about it. But they cared enough to drop by and make their views count, while almost nobody cared enough to come here and say this isn't right. We don't get to force-reverse a decision that we didn't care enough for when it mattered. Cheers, Andrey.