Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:105219 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 73509 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2019 22:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pf1-f170.google.com) (209.85.210.170) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2019 22:24:48 -0000 Received: by mail-pf1-f170.google.com with SMTP id t21so2068079pfh.2 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:22:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:openpgp:autocrypt:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kBm8fr8wSfr1j5QUSPN5UTETZpWyo3EWd0222i1wfEE=; b=CPwYqL9/JVhIMoy9IKrfBnCuAbxagf74rY4GTQNDacuXkZ6kt3yeeRU0ljtybJ7w8m ID+hr1CiVeO3x+F9Rsqvo/FxAUJmC24oPZg972624dlYzbm20pgLFeR6pqYVOW4H0IXW 7DEyoGFTwImMn4AeTvy2LocDDLLeiL674iqyP4EBv8/U0sYRB/P2xOUTc3TR1am0B4Xy Zl97V0u19awGk4L4BjjokDJ9sdRZbWRmLeOQc+KH9D/gb450uHRp4+HYWXtkHkslmFNw +qUgerjGUaURiaSYjGapts8CJDNrs3nFSFrazaWRWEVar38SA/SiQls/V3fRtWCNF8Hp amEw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:openpgp:autocrypt :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kBm8fr8wSfr1j5QUSPN5UTETZpWyo3EWd0222i1wfEE=; b=AfAyrbEIFEdkm+Fy6FTfQIeIpAHmKTaWuxV8PrKl/ag5LANAb4Z5AHoR7iibP3upGn SxJcuxrrrR/I1iBmHgJnrqnhivuIFQ0MF3VQ6jAzehWuqnn33fKx/7QJHnWT5aXWqkpd 9s+D7YjZgCQSQGF5euUpiw3WRf5hHboOHwF7ocoOwSPFWwE8wbTz7q6ko/Cty+PcpVHT FoyJdj9Ra75cREyds4VtHro4dGGgIh0e07FKJg+fTEemIpXE9EO6ZgARx4M2v0PEg3S9 NyHnX1BfW72/4tIpcy0rbyftdtHchfAyeE2o0nfR9Mb6VSlobqqfxT7STJYZkMPUjj12 R9vg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXBj3IEfLmNlinKahuR9Ii57X1WlCKm5FYjTaggIbFv/Ax3+0ME KZ+6A/GpBzV0k2rfrT4KRyUtSAU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxwUlazncbcRbjLKUTm2X8TWgpdFuTHK3kJPnHyxswPe0lUt3Uk34R+9glcMKGouCbR+85ZwA== X-Received: by 2002:a63:ac12:: with SMTP id v18mr40595223pge.111.1554924119002; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Stas-Pro-2016.local (c-24-4-176-254.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [24.4.176.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u6sm31843191pfm.10.2019.04.10.12.21.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:21:58 -0700 (PDT) To: Nikita Popov , PHP internals References: Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=smalyshev@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQMuBE9mqaARCACFSqcGmNunkjQQu3X+yXnTmFeEkvM4JXZTOBdR8aEevNGmmFEfyvjaDjWi 9hcwp4E/lYtC+P7VsVjM1OSX9eq0jC/lGL0ZyRXek+mNy0n5H1NSuTpf9Y18LMqhc4G+RU+L cNiZ9K0DJuOOvNLPxW7OHZguxb3wdKPXNVa2jyRfJAKm2uaJJMT1mTmFT9a0Q8SKr+mUrrJk uG0H2o6SzrKt8Wwoint1eh67zVsJaJtQFchnEZnlawIcqP2yC4nLGR3MkubowxoEBYCZet18 aHVVRbvpG2Qtob8Lu5xrsGbmXymTkHTdpvkfcJFADa8MzOL90zOxXwbGfbIZOlh5En8jAQCX lfnx2eQL3BSW/6XANa51dbWiEp1d1BAkpGKtZvlk0Qf+M9WAi+9aXMe3xP5krxtgnRNUf2WN 6Zdy2MxL1RRJCFbytLhl0ronC49BsGYVGshdEH8xhBbiIOJKuVZ/DTl9bEm7P9c7CC7iJyVC khUAhouH6xzZQNLR+RU+QebYzXypVfl99Qk7EdMmr/WAZCHLuvanyqepC5EBsa3VnAfQemSN oBeGBKWWLiOsPjvS72+y1z4RUMAfXHn4l/sFMt8zt7/74AmJPwZquV41p4mPO12V4+xPyc6R sB84sfsk2QVivU8w8AkvGQeYjXoz7Iwao95+fWteVzZ36KRQvUckP8pGjHlDXnHxJ0HI1I/k OBZSjwRwUf0dd73y6erPhbLk+gf+NdI3H9KGJBzG5/rVyWKwUeQ9d5ud4jTJRkQGvAP5pg76 vEa9dogbpe4W5Z+0BfbiJSnQmQWSHiZddj/t33ptbup44Ck6ZTgdlmFYMLF1hR47PIZTDKER EuKYGci/vq8snZvEJP9YCw/TtiHcMdrMKcY/+Lp8lQO0GHLPB9glVhnC0db6l1Xpg1CMI8/R ozBMcij30EgATggC/y2zbiqAFoS9FN9nXPbe4phStqABEyeZ+nXudt7PUYTjVgcrqo8bHZCi sBobWC7OnKyUzxVxzUeuPkIfmZuzkLaMw2McQdvwwsNvQ0DzaLP30c1Xsm/7EIYJcOWpzlVJ 5QrdmE0/BbQyU3RhbmlzbGF2IE1hbHlzaGV2IChQSFAga2V5KSA8c21hbHlzaGV2QGdtYWls LmNvbT6IegQTEQgAIgUCT2aqtAIbAwYLCQgHAwIGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQL3lW vF2gS12XMwD9HuRIolSwIK77u8EY461y2u6sbX36n5/uo/LDQuxoi3sA/0MvpnvzOhv9Iufv vsZEj3E7i3h+iD5648YMwfTFCij+uQINBE9mqaAQCADfZPMpjZkkGZj3BY/7ApoLq4mwqzbh +CpLXwNn20tFNvSXfb8RdeXvVEb7Scx+W9qYpiaun2iXJgCVH8fgpZpR856ulT1q6uCG++CX ubEvip/eJkZl93/84h04KQJwsgOrAh0Om3OePRn8Pr+++0LNS0EL8uX/YHeTOGOnnmTqYTey SBVFdov6L4mepddfjekicKQqhL7mZh/xuq29JijT0uNNX8v4vDWQDu5dlAcdd+uB3gcXMD/P ginD11zp+6wtrWCm/+yBqpvDwXQX5PGUnwvbRfl7Ay3MmwmoXiecZMg0dwTSc7e0lhB4HGRH ZdBMJB4rHUVGdzqujK/ctOvrAAMFB/0Utb76Qe6sCMlHxVAmeE/fbo7Pi05btZ/x01r67dHf aMSP0riCKJ7M0OW+jAXtu9+z/BVnYisW67WWfxl2cS5tZDgiHgJARXWUOO72+sScHP8KQmTl 1z16gyKbwY3SmyBkwcpOL35nhUWNLy93syPoY6sZUTikr2bZYukHDQ33XBPs4e6MbWKfsa9q aVmnlOF3k5UqChjutfHaEa4Q7VP4wBIpphHBi9MI16oJIzzBPbGl2uoedjwiZ6QeQZnSuOVY ZxU2d3lRA8PrtfFN1VSlpEm/VcAvtieHUYWHN0wOu+cp3Slr5XJVNjTjJhl28SlinMME54mK AGf2Ldr/dRwXiGEEGBEIAAkFAk9mqaACGwwACgkQL3lWvF2gS126EQD/VVd3FgjLKglClRQP zdfU847tqDK4zJjbmRv5vLLwoE0A+wbrQs7jVGU3NrS0AIl5vUmewpp2BKzSkepy23nWmejw Message-ID: <010a5e8c-3614-6263-2553-b53b88be1273@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:21:57 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate left-associative ternary operator From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > Inspired by Bob's recent RFC for concat precedence, I'd like to propose a > deprecation and removal of the left-associative behavior of ternaries. > Instead, explicit parentheses should be used: > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/ternary_associativity Please, let's not mess with language syntax and require people to rewrite their code just because suddenly after 20 years of existence in the language we feel maybe the precedence should be different. I literally can't think of a single case where it would improve anyone's life in any substantial way. If you wanted to use parentheses, you can do it now - you can even have it enforced by code analyzer if you wish so, in your private code base. But I can easily imagine dealing with tons of deprecation warnings (which usually break CI unit tests and wreak general havoc) or even worse, useless errors, in existing code, which would become broken for no reason but... honestly, I don't even know how to finish this phrase, I can't even think of a single reason I could explain to anybody why their code would no longer work in 8.0. I understand 8.0 is a good target for breaking things. But that doesn't mean we have to do it as much as possible. And this absolutely doesn't mean we need to get 7.4 to break things (and yes, deprecation warning is breaking things, in most cases). -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com