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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:48:25 +0100
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To: Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com>
Cc: Arvids Godjuks <arvids.godjuks@gmail.com>, Joe Watkins <krakjoe@gmail.com>, 
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 8 Preview Releases
From: peterkokot@gmail.com (Peter Kokot)

Hello,

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 15:35, Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Arvids,
>
>
> It's possible to test JIT with PHP-7.4 building PHP from https://github.c=
om/zendtech/php-src/tree/jit-dynasm-7.4
>
> But this branch is not going to be supported anymore.
>
>
> Thanks. Dmitry.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Arvids Godjuks <arvids.godjuks@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 5:17:41 PM
> To: Joe Watkins
> Cc: Dmitry Stogov; release-managers@php.net; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 8 Preview Releases
>
> Hello,
>
> I'd like to add that as the userland developer, it would be nice to be ab=
le to build JIT against an active branch (a.k.a PHP 7.4), cause if PHP 8 br=
ings enough changes, it would not be realistic to fix our apps to be compat=
ible with PHP 8 months or years away from actual release.
>
> =D0=BF=D1=82, 29 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=80. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 15:58, Joe Watki=
ns <krakjoe@gmail.com<mailto:krakjoe@gmail.com>>:
> Hi Dmitry,
>
> I'm not suggesting we do it right now, I'm suggesting we look at the
> planning of it right now as it deviates from our normal release cycle.
>
> At the moment we should just consider how we want it to work, including
> when it should start ...
>
> Cheers
> Joe
>
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 14:42, Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com<mailto:dmitr=
y@zend.com>> wrote:
>
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> >
> > I think, PHP-8 preview is too early.
> >
> > We even didn't freeze PHP-7.4 yet, and PHP-8 didn't get any new major
> > features (may be I forgot something) only deprecations and some interna=
l
> > improvements
> >
> > .
> >
> > According to JIT, it's probably going to be changed a lot in the neares=
t
> > future.
> >
> >
> > Thanks. Dmitry.
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Joe Watkins <krakjoe@php.net<mailto:krakjoe@php.net>>
> > *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 3:40:04 PM
> > *To:* release-managers@php.net<mailto:release-managers@php.net>; PHP in=
ternals; Dmitry Stogov
> > *Subject:* PHP 8 Preview Releases
> >
> > Morning internals,
> >
> > Since we now have a result for JIT and we know it will be included in P=
HP
> > 8, I think it's time to visit the idea brought up in discussion to have
> > preview releases of PHP 8.
> >
> > I'm interested in hearing what kind of schedules we think are going to =
be
> > useful - it's tempting to say let's track PHP-7.4 releases, possibly wi=
th a
> > bi-monthly interval, but I'm not sure if that may be too soon, or too s=
low,
> > or too fast.
> >
> > Thoughts please (especially from Dmitry) ?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Arv=C4=ABds Godjuks
>
> +371 26 851 664
> arvids.godjuks@gmail.com<mailto:arvids.godjuks@gmail.com>
> Skype: psihius
> Telegram: @psihius https://t.me/psihius

PHP 8.0 is definitely tempting and wanted. First phase is definitely
for users to have option to install it manually from Git as is now.
The snapshot script:
https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/scripts/dev/snapshot
is on my list to improve a bit to have at least an option to get
archive package out of the current Git state. Between this and the
official downloadable release there isn't much difference in doing the
build manually.

What is more important for the end users is to have Docker image(s)
available or even some Linux packages.

Also, practice shows that the dev branch in state before the few
months prior to the releases contains really a lot of bugs and also
build system bugs that normal users will have serious issues setting
this up. If Linux packagers and 3rd party repository maintainers can
help here, that would be also one way to go since PHP seems to be very
far away from doing such steps on the php.net side...

But to have PHP 8.0.0alpha1 version available at this and this date
before the PHP 7.4 release is quite challenging for all, I think.

--=20
Peter Kokot