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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:20:51 +0100
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To: Rowan Collins <rowan.collins@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate short_open_tag ini directive?
From: rasmus@mindplay.dk (Rasmus Schultz)

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For the record, we're a mid-size organization, building a modern product on
PHP 7 with a PSR-based stack.

We've shunned template engines and rely heavily on short open tags and
alternative control-structures - mainly because we insist on static
analysis and IDE support, which we get by manually type-hinting a single
view-model variable $view at the beginning of each template.

No other template engine gives us what we want in terms of static analysis,
type-checking or IDE support.

The choice to rebuild a very large product in PHP vs e.g. Node, at the
time, was in part motivated by PHP's template features - which, while it
may look pretty verbose and ugly on the surface, has a huge advantage over
basically anything else, e.g. static analysis with various QA tools,
automated refactorings (rename etc.) in PHP Storm, and so on.

The loss of this feature would be a substantial setback for our
organization - for which there is no really good replacement.


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:51 AM Rowan Collins <rowan.collins@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 20:06, G. P. B. <george.banyard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From my understanding, the `<?` tag is not available without the
> directive,
> > so maybe we should deprecate PHP's short tag altogether?
> >
>
>
> I think when that's been proposed in the past, people have said they like
> it for use in simple templates, often along with the "alternative control
> structures", e.g.:
>
> <? foreach ( $things as $thing ): ?>
> <? if ( $thing->quantity > 1 ): ?><p><?= $thing->description; ?></p><?
> endif; ?>
> <? endforeach; ?>
>
> I couldn't find any discussions for a few years, though, so it's possible
> opinions have changed.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Rowan Collins
> [IMSoP]
>

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