Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:104941 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 57085 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2019 19:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ua1-f46.google.com) (209.85.222.46) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2019 19:03:23 -0000 Received: by mail-ua1-f46.google.com with SMTP id x1so3158470uaj.4 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:56:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QPBVAj2U8ShzCnUYsiWVQCQHzjVEqNiFLA5vmP/i9K8=; b=AJdDTYVlkIwfKQwXsAQ4ZfCLcd9sjC1vICpLNZMhCZjQi39L6o1t2xQa6sV0Ui0xO/ uqhZdpkpmC5XLVpwb8S2r/H5XMf+ob/5vDQKjeShIPEHCOB5KsjczSC5AYfWTd+pNJGq X/K800pyOAZ8phv6dnJXbR8PFbOLeJU3M9vczb7onvGiNotSCjsffVVlM9WDVxpCOQcD SZBxAaVpwlBABzd31PLrpD1bqzXY4Llta5NitZO8Yb/EyI/4TRE4JRfrQs7XBu3lNxue hkQoxLBLKQjgnrO2E+mwNtoHsheRBjc1wv7s078rl48mJsEBeDV31JILfUT5gGBn8Y3S tLRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QPBVAj2U8ShzCnUYsiWVQCQHzjVEqNiFLA5vmP/i9K8=; b=j72Zpvnqfa4qUw9Pmd388ADI4zWgWWuPJ8EWa8aPFdo6FGjiFEjLzRoizuyfkI7pfE SBXheHCU6gHmnbYMHHGNdhOxaOidw4zhKK91tQF47PQ9MPjt6UaqaW9R9uzJic1Jc3PB rURS/QCueE4lQ1HpOX9vjgez3P5b+Sk9h9cMDq/tmRuMTvCdS9LoTncjbwQOo2nC/OgW FjLYzrQv80UZvcOevynyA852iD2WyljOySuuSFbD6bW/0g1bABQdk10tFlCsRSJNFRf1 8rQIJ0E9worzIxZpip98Uk1647FRZse3hmy1HRmtL+VJYoxAIKtWE3Fl1cFeWDhdq36P cNug== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXv25fRWnUhdy5J9IlwXMGbJkJ7Ds6Fp85nMJTuQPfToRDHOYfF 4oWIl171WT/sAi1PHfyWQf7xGb+7ug9GkH3BDVcDaA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwjNhWx2juQ2vOHNBZCRMCiazPngl8SDf/dTy5VVSnQtW8nDQ5RQTZeomwG9MYBvYp1QgQReJoLwFExzHB2+8s= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:324b:: with SMTP id r11mr690799uan.124.1553529393461; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:56:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1D4D58A6-DCF2-449E-9219-8F036B70E50A@heigl.org> In-Reply-To: <1D4D58A6-DCF2-449E-9219-8F036B70E50A@heigl.org> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 15:56:22 +0000 Message-ID: To: Andreas Heigl Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a543ed0584ed3fa4" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC Process: more productive conversations From: phpmailinglists@gmail.com (Peter Bowyer) --000000000000a543ed0584ed3fa4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 15:24, Andreas Heigl wrote: > Shall we then also expect people that vote "yes" to explain why they voted > for the feature? To see whether they understood what they where voting on? > Yes. > Then we should couple the vote to a comment in the wikinpage and without a > comment there's no way to vote. > > That way all the information would be readily available in the RFC and no > one would need to add comments after an RFC was voted upon. Because IMO > that information as well as the process that lead to acceptance of the RFC > are also important to afterwards make clear why that feature was > implememted the way it was. So all RFCs and also all voters would be > treated the same. > Yes, that is the system I would like. Whether the comments are hidden during voting or visible I have no strong feelings - but I would like a comment to be required to vote. As you say it is useful history. People may enter nonsense into the comment field. They may paste in their message(s) from internals. I'm OK with any of that as it's an experiment. If it's not useful, we can stop asking for a comment. Given the concerns raised around voting, it would be interesting to see the effect this has. Peter --000000000000a543ed0584ed3fa4--