Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:104924 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 7627 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2019 16:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-it1-f170.google.com) (209.85.166.170) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2019 16:37:28 -0000 Received: by mail-it1-f170.google.com with SMTP id y63so2191683itb.5 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 06:30:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xffhNeXdayEy4dMrn0UXbjZdpEFQn+LIC3bxuzTYDQg=; b=lbyWY4R21JSudyUAFIjdlfnwgD+RsVbKVMA0QeULxNl57QOa//F94WyFnO33uraske EJDL4iQQC7cQoPTu43GmyVq5N4PnVcIQJXW8tbbU0eDlXKl5YdBDPr/mT/Ss7MdwUjQ1 eHDO/86j6TnkttTcb3vlA24aZPzETb9ERHXxWm/g+mDVRDuh9FuUtV3JB3A8VGrbpWzS XDx8N3V83s7T7w8vbTQ6yydAU5kktoSv0O0rMlYNgXYn1s4tpFYdbgHh2dR7REcS6C/w fXa6/cb7mVAacldVyoBh9wQsYJNwGVwoVmBB5wa3uk0UD7913rHMPUwOYt3kcLGIkBrz zi5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=xffhNeXdayEy4dMrn0UXbjZdpEFQn+LIC3bxuzTYDQg=; b=hILHZ6ErQuRxm6HQi4UA2WYxBi+CrZG4XEq8QrTysdtL9s6pY9nEiEgMthGxqSGiTX YjSDi5Wiiasp9XwNHH97mW+CX9AyeuLuiOuNh+QwTDxtp5sRvOSaVGCB8bDM/+qc+A/+ 8NUh8IYCLEABqCq72t/By4kR9w/qJ2BDpnX8fdNF4yREacRQOaU3TcycNW+UZGUSoek+ M1j2Hl6KLJVIGK4JhiWc7GIYZknNrJiGtLcDlwYj1DsJgvVHjBcTigsi7YAU9qpt7gqU z+VgDWChV4nihGdnWimk6mpq+ykWHdownPfv7lmIJdut6hCtaXqgZiCJG80eI2lg2b8K /lpQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWKoN/StOok3Ur+fdQF9noU60yyLVfhcbMXygqdCNleJ7RskZpF QxTXqTafNtnO8jwURHuyRuiq+Bg5JBbD495CYfsU+MSz X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxn7tQqQRi3IuleBQetAlcX4QVC5VGvfEtBYXuYka/cYmO193fFR6WLJ6EuggVUx9m/tjpaU1YJq2RIP1N1WEw= X-Received: by 2002:a24:4e82:: with SMTP id r124mr1269143ita.34.1553520636735; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 06:30:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:30:25 +0000 Message-ID: To: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b4369c0584eb3561" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC Process: more productive conversations From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) --000000000000b4369c0584eb3561 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 13:04, Dan Ackroyd wrote: > I've written some suggestions on people could have more productive > conversations which I'm going to maintain here > (https://github.com/Danack/RfcCodex/blob/master/rfc_etiquette.md), and > have attached to the end of this email. > Hi Dan, Thanks for putting this together, I think it's a great addition to the current RFC guidance. The only part I can see being controversial is this: > It isn't the responsibility of voters to explain why they're voting no. It has actually been suggested multiple times that voters *should* justify their votes, so that it's clear whether a future RFC could address the perceived problems, or if similar RFCs are likely to receive the same votes against. I'm on the fence whether making it a hard requirement is reasonable, but I don't think we should enshrine the opposite. One suggestion for an additional section: update the RFC with feedback, particularly if it is withdrawn or rejected. If someone comes along with a suggestion that's been discussed before, it's really helpful if we can say "see this page for why it didn't happen last time, and see if you can fix those issues", rather than just "it didn't get very far before, but we can't remember why". This is something I intend to do with my own "locked classes" RFC: I'm probably going to withdraw it because I don't have time to rework it, but will try to summarise where a new RFC could pick things up. Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP] --000000000000b4369c0584eb3561--