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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 13:09:55 +0200
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To: Benjamin Eberlei <kontakt@beberlei.de>
Cc: Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com>, Joe Watkins <krakjoe@gmail.com>, 
	Nicolas Grekas <nicolas.grekas+php@gmail.com>, Zeev Suraski <zeev@php.net>, 
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	Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] JIT
From: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com (Arvids Godjuks)

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min Eberlei <kontakt@beberlei.de>:

>
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 10:37 AM Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com> wrote:
>
>> Just two things.
>>
>> I definitely don't think, I "just made it 100x more complicated".
>> I hate complication, and trying to make things simpler and more
>> efficient. This, sometime, involves new more or less isolated subsystems
>> like optimizer and now JIT. Of course, they look complex, if you are not
>> experienced in these areas. But PHP core may work without them.
>>
>> Nobody will port their complex applications to PHP-8 preview, just to
>> try JIT. Having this possibility in PHP-7.4 would involve broader
>> auditory.
>>
>>
> The majority of people uses PHP from pre compiled sources (99%+),
>
> With 7.4 there are just two options:
>
> 1. we add jit as a flag called --enable-experimental-jit - which no
> distribution will do, and you don't have additional exposure with this
> approach.
> 2. or you add it as --enable-jit, and distributions might assume its
> stable and ship it by default, causing potential stability problems.
>
> Both cases are not preferrable to 8.0 master snapshots in my opinion.
>

Well, for production you probably are not gonna use JIT anyway with 7.4, so
not really an issue about distributions. But we have docker, so if there is
a docker image with the JIT - we can use that for testing and local
development.


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