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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] New website for the PHP project
From: johannes@schlueters.de (Johannes =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schl=FCter?=)

On Mo, 2019-02-04 at 15:32 +0200, Andrey Andreev wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I could nitpick on most of the proposed plan, but I really only
> wanted
> to reply to this:
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > * A new home page, not a "news" page, but a page simply showing
> > > the PHP Logo, a code example maybe and
> > > the download link [3].
> > > 
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > [3] https://camo.githubusercontent.com/762e5d9fcaaa4ecf645343350a
> > > 91929f99f452e9/68747470733a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f5844776752
> > > 61662e706e67
> I just hate those useless landing pages.
> 
> Yes, it looks neat and clean, but after the initial "OMG so pretty"
> phase it just becomes annoying - noone cares about the code example
> and I for one never know what "Get Started" means. PHP isn't some
> consumer desktop software; nobody would just stumble upon php.net and
> "get started" with it, whatever that means ...
> 
> I'm all for a modern look and all, but let's please keep the news on
> the index page. Personally, I only go to php.net to look for the
> news,
> changelogs and to search the docs. This image suggests that I'd need
> to do an extra click for each of those things and I'm sure I wouldn't
> be the only one unhappy about that.

I for one don't think we need news going back to 2017 on the frontpage.
I would like a stronger emphasis on the docs and maybe making the
search more obvious (you have direct access to all docs from there -
it's not just a stupid site search!)

johannes