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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 12:09:36 +0200
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To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@php.net>
Cc: Dan Ackroyd <Danack@basereality.com>, PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: RFC Workflow & Voting (2019 update)
From: narf@devilix.net (Andrey Andreev)

Hi again,

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:37 AM Zeev Suraski <zeev@php.net> wrote:
>
> Regardless of what you did, actually obtaining full voting rights
> meant you had to ask for a VCS account, and have a reasonably good
> explanation on why you need one - enough to convince one of the folks
> with admin rights on master.php.net to click the 'Accept' button.

This is what I don't understand.

On one hand you say one needs to make a convincing enough request, so
that it may be granted by admins such as yourself. To me, that sounds
reasonable-ish (with some reserves, but certainly different to yours)
as I can't imagine that commit access to a project like PHP is handed
out left and right to anybody who wants it. But in the same breath you
also say that's a low bar.

If that's a low bar (to which I don't agree, but I also don't make
these decisions so idk), then perhaps the vetting process itself
should be revised. How can you trust your peers to grant commit
access, but not a say in how things should go forward? That's a
contradiction to me.

> That's all.  Immediately, one has identical rights to someone who may
> have been spending years of their time on PHP, in a one way ticket.
>

There will always be new kids in the block and you have to accept that
if you want to attract any contributors at all.

Cheers,
Andrey.