Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:104149 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 43127 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2019 03:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-40133.protonmail.ch) (185.70.40.133) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2019 03:33:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2019 00:14:03 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=default; t=1549325649; bh=iFmOtAnFrS09/c9toTIPP7wVu++PPVY+l4OtbMccye0=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From; b=DVcQGYS7ZEZKHdrmy0sqSuOZXqrO5v99qO58vD8gLCOMuorfKQMksLd2DKQ88+H+2 Et7o/q5a6goslMjv5rstitAb2gKXvL9KOIruUHXDNelJtN2hsVzBxFivDTCGoM92Wy BjOCB7bkbLmTWlMzKSgDi0QbNmw1VQHN9uk2InVE= To: Thomas Hruska Cc: Andrey Andreev , Levi Morrison , "internals@lists.php.net" , "php-webmaster@lists.php.net" Reply-To: azjezz Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9ff315e3-d2d6-e445-56bf-ca2856b87c6e@cubiclesoft.com> References: <9ff315e3-d2d6-e445-56bf-ca2856b87c6e@cubiclesoft.com> Feedback-ID: 2QbNVvXqZX7F9J8FTDAv0u3ryua4T0_lfklxZ8hRMzvBUxf8m8U50Gi9tVWG9V2LePU31MFOrVnxPKYLJjZPXw==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mail.protonmail.ch Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] New website for the PHP project From: azjezz@protonmail.com (azjezz) On Monday, February 4, 2019 5:11 PM, Thomas Hruska wrote: > On 2/4/2019 6:32 AM, Andrey Andreev wrote: > > > Hi, > > I could nitpick on most of the proposed plan, but I really only wanted > > to reply to this: > > > > > > - A new home page, not a "news" page, but a page simply showing t= he PHP Logo, a code example maybe and > > > > the download link [3]. > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > [3] https://camo.githubusercontent.com/762e5d9fcaaa4ecf645343350a91= 929f99f452e9/68747470733a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f584477675261662e706e67 > > > > I just hate those useless landing pages. > > Yes, it looks neat and clean, but after the initial "OMG so pretty" > > phase it just becomes annoying - noone cares about the code example > > and I for one never know what "Get Started" means. PHP isn't some > > consumer desktop software; nobody would just stumble upon php.net and > > "get started" with it, whatever that means ... > > I'm all for a modern look and all, but let's please keep the news on > > the index page. Personally, I only go to php.net to look for the news, > > changelogs and to search the docs. This image suggests that I'd need > > to do an extra click for each of those things and I'm sure I wouldn't > > be the only one unhappy about that. > > Cheers, > > Andrey. > > I regularly go to thephp.net homepage for the live documentation search > function just to make sure I'm using functions correctly. My most > frequent search is the date() function for the % code list. One of > these days I'll print out that docs page instead of looking it up every > time to save everyone the bandwidth. Of the things I'd miss the most > would be the live documentation search feature to jump directly to what > I'm looking for. Google Search doesn't cut it here. > > For a newbie, I'd say a "Get Started" button that goes to a vetted group > of starter tutorials (maybe videos?) on a variety of subjects could be > valuable. I wouldn't want the homepage to load a video player though. > > My biggest complaint is that there's nothing in the mockup that says > what PHP is for. > > Website: "Here's PHP spelled out and a difficult to comprehend code > example. Uh...Get Started?" > > First time visitor: "Okay, that's great. Now tell me what is PHP in > words I can understand and what can I use it for and is it popular?" > > A code example rarely, if ever, makes a good first impression. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------- > > Thomas Hruska > CubicleSoft President > > I've got great, time saving software that you will find useful. > > http://cubiclesoft.com/ > > And once you find my software useful: > > http://cubiclesoft.com/donate/ thanks for your suggestion, i have update the mock up to : 1. include a search input in the navbar 2. move the "Getting Started" button to the navbar 3. include a short description of what PHP is ( the same one that is curren= tly on the of php.net ) see : https://github.com/azjezz/web-php-mock-ups