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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 15:19:02 +0000
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] New website for the PHP project
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On Monday, February 4, 2019 2:02 AM, Levi Morrison <levim@php.net> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 5:15 PM azjezz azjezz@protonmail.com wrote:
>
> > Hello Internals !
> > As @official_php suggested [1], I'm here to propose a new website for t=
he PHP Project.
> > In my opinion, current design looks old, outdated and bland. This sadly=
 may reflect "badly" on the language
> > reputation nowadays.
> > New comers find it hard to go around the website, to write "comments", =
report issues or write RFCs.
> > Even signing up for the internals mailing list wasn't an easy task [2].
> > Since the development of PHP 8.0 has started, I think its a good idea t=
o start working on a new website.
> >
> > Global proposal
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >
> > The proposal here is to do a major rewrite of the PHP sites. This rewri=
te would includes php.net, windows.php.net,
> > bug.php.net, wiki.php.net, qa.php.net and other official php websites.
> > It would be done with this in mind:
> >
> > -   No PHP framework (to avoid favoriting one)
> >
> > -   Keep it simple: little to no changes to the database structures
> >
> > -   This site should look modern, simple and feel welcoming.
> >
> > -   A new home page, not a "news" page, but a page simply showing the P=
HP Logo, a code example maybe and
> >
> >
> > the download link [3].
> >
> > -   A new community website [4], it can be a place for people to ask qu=
estions and discuss php in general - no one uses IRC anymore.
> >
> > -   Single account: Users should be able to use the same community acco=
unt to file bugs, create a new RFC (depending on karma) and leave notes on =
the documentation.
> >
> > -   Ideally all *.php.net websites would be "merged" into a single bran=
d new website, but I'm not sure about the hosting
> >
> >
> > specificities (eg, what server does what).
> >
> > FrontEnd Framework
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >
> > We don't need that too, but we can use one ! there's some light-weight =
options out there.
> > but i'm pretty sure some people in the php community have experience wi=
th front-end development and will happily contribute.
> > see :
> >
> > -   https://mustard-ui.com/
> >
> > -   https://getuikit.com/
> >
> > -   https://bulma.io/
> >
> > -   https://picturepan2.github.io/spectre/index.html
> >
> >
> > Next steps
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >
> > I would really like to hear opinions about this proposal.
> > [1] https://twitter.com/official_php/status/1091903415377108994
> > [2] https://twitter.com/SaraMG/status/1092185205572542466
> > [3] https://camo.githubusercontent.com/762e5d9fcaaa4ecf645343350a91929f=
99f452e9/68747470733a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f584477675261662e706e67
> > [4] https://php.net/community
> >
> > Saif Eddin Gmati https://azjezz.github.io
>
> I appreciate the enthusiasm. If you think the current PHP website is
> old, out-dated, and bland, you must have not experienced the previous
> one:
>
> https://i2.wp.com/www.geekgumbo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/phpsite45.=
png
>
> In any case, I hope you realize this is an ambitious project. It will
> take a very long time to build a cohesive UI, and then also a very
> long time to update the bugs, windows, docs, wiki, etc, websites to
> use it. If you are seriously committed to this, then the next step is
> to create mock-ups for every type of page across PHP.net that you can
> find, and to share them on the PHP Webmasters mailing list (which I've
> cc'd). Then, we'll probably give you a few more pages that needs
> mocks, after which you will then have to attempt to build the mock-ups
> in a few different codebases.
>
> I did the last redesign, and I took a less rigorous approach. If I
> were to do it again, I would be much more rigorous in gathering
> requirements and building mock-ups. There were a lot of pages which
> needed re-worked because of my design, which took even more time.
> While it's okay for some pages to be re-worked content-wise to fit the
> new design, you want to minimize it.

I'm not proposing updating the UI and other websites to use, instead rebuil=
d all PHP websites.

for the mock-ups, i have created a GitHub repository : https://github.com/a=
zjezz/web-php-mock-ups/

this would take more time than just updating the UI, but the PHP website is=
 getting old and most of it is broken or just hard to use.

i would appreciate any help or suggestions for the UI.
as it would be the first step before starting to build the new website.