Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:103994 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 91055 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2019 20:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ot1-f50.google.com) (209.85.210.50) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2019 20:25:06 -0000 Received: by mail-ot1-f50.google.com with SMTP id g16so6559178otg.11 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2019 09:05:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=bu1AH3LhIq7IbDU3ZaVFdm7izx1S0ZA5lIGIeZOu9/8=; b=LDW5/+HC3wrrPt0nQemnPEP2lUufXaCxIPdlpYDk8StWW8AvRHLuN8jWl0V1PeH9m5 fuwu+Y8lIRx3Z3HXOuVnnpN/z3gswE1ZTpZtkCfC8facWMmWssiKGkydvUx7+gIthIvk mCMcdUAfvsldOoiee74+32N0cDO9R4icpbR9eTLEFYBG21oKAt7Zttp/wcJEhVmelA+u myvUAMkydxcbTMB11u/7DRRdAJ5/uAkI8Lz4/ibGNj86n/0zgTJPMlyQD2GtRnOsyKFz yjEBuVBumRQ3z27DD3uerSRsI6FIcX/jvQ7eCvoSDAdQb1hQSHjX9LYt8D1nW9oVApEt N5kQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=bu1AH3LhIq7IbDU3ZaVFdm7izx1S0ZA5lIGIeZOu9/8=; b=X0/7czANiOetuK7JNnSL3t9IeAvoyjjz9zrLK9zpCUATxFwxUpon+twJOqWQH89vC1 bn2orHOM8/GEnvJsszRyJcXuBR7l+qLejnxyJOxydrz+II9QeO/638Ke/03nOc5ltzxW CAlbCMxm9GATYv/e7nQoV3OS9P/0vKoEm1KHDpYHBgo3Zgo9IgsnIRoK51m7kBVOovRq yHCwlhsYJBFnIFFbmYrzMQ8nAOBPjXeLJS7JTgs0EEZkZNUfuV2YrUMALkxLIAcg9UAA aFFkhJCvN8tvgS7IShVKyVLg+6r/hMI5KHzjJOTeKjT+QNIq/THRYG9fHTT4jpiZtnWH GXRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukfDqm6XqbRmfDenIeNzAjW5C6qzwB6kL+S5Lrqjr9axaPaSwEL8 +t9pBG9lq4fVdcbvOLctSU/FIrRs X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN7TcexbgWB8kV0rfX10u3nc3aRj7UfltJzQX//wQQvyLvEngpVeZRshi35FYaEZ9WDIdM0ijQ== X-Received: by 2002:a9d:d21:: with SMTP id 30mr30035251oti.245.1549040716180; Fri, 01 Feb 2019 09:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from samurai.attlocal.net (107-223-28-39.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net. [107.223.28.39]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k13sm3387984otj.19.2019.02.01.09.05.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 01 Feb 2019 09:05:15 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) In-Reply-To: <140828236.S28X2sxyUy@vulcan> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2019 11:05:14 -0600 Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <03f401d4b96b$18b9dc60$4a2d9520$@php.net> <1fcbbaac-8edc-ad7c-92aa-2d21f6d0487b@gmail.com> <140828236.S28X2sxyUy@vulcan> To: Larry Garfield X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: RFC Workflow & Voting (2019 update) From: pmjones88@gmail.com (Paul Jones) All, I have managed to avoid commenting on PHP-FIG since the group was = dissolved, then re-constituted under the same name, without my = participation as one of its original founding members. However, I cannot let this phrasing pass: On Feb 1, 2019, at 10:30, Larry Garfield wrote: > FIG today is a very different organization. It does not=20 > claim any authority or official-ness beyond "a lot of people listen to = our=20 > recommendations", which is objectively true. Larry is trying to play both sides here with plausible deniability. = Quoting him from = https://www.sitepoint.com/the-past-present-and-future-of-the-php-fig/ : > FIG has effectively become the standards body for PHP. It took time = for it to earn it, but it did, thanks to the work of dozens of people, = both FIG members and not. A [Reddit = thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/3wownq/how_do_you_see_the_ph= pfig/) started last January showed that, while not universal, there was = a clear preference for FIG to step up and accept that role formally. Either Larry feels that FIG is effectively a standards body, or he does = not. And now that I have spoken, I may be more to say on the matter -- but = not just yet. --=20 Paul M. Jones pmjones@pmjones.io http://paul-m-jones.com Modernizing Legacy Applications in PHP https://leanpub.com/mlaphp Solving the N+1 Problem in PHP https://leanpub.com/sn1php