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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2019 12:38:34 +0100
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To: Stanislav Malyshev <smalyshev@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC Abolish Narrow Margins
From: nikita.ppv@gmail.com (Nikita Popov)

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On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 6:16 AM Stanislav Malyshev <smalyshev@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi!
>
> > Let me reply to the last point first, because I think that's really the
> > crux here: The issue is not that this RFC is very urgent per se, it's
> that
> > it has already been delayed numerous times and it is imperative that we
> > prevent that from happening again. Since this issue was first raised, a
>
> That's understandable. But I think if we have an ongoing discussion now,
> waiting until this discussion comes to some conclusion or at least
> giving it some reasonable time to do so is a good thing. Note the
> "reasonable" part - it doesn't mean it should wait another 2 years. But
> if 2+ year old RFC is revived I think it's reasonable to wait a week or
> two with vote. Original margins were meant for situation where somebody
> puts up RFC and immediately proceeds to vote, not for situation where
> RFC lies dormant for 2 years, then revived and immediately proceeds to
> vote without most people even remembering what happened 2 years ago. I
> think in this case it's reasonable to wait a little bit - and I don't
> see a reason why not.
>

That's reasonable. What is important to me is that:

a) We don't vote RFCs with low margins in the meantime. As a show of good
faith, it would be nice to adjust the vote in the JIT RFC to require a 2/3
majority.

b) The voting margin question is resolved separately from other concerns. I
very specifically do not want this bundled with anything else. I don't want
the voting margin adjustment to fail because of other changes bundled in
the same RFC. Conversely, I do not want other changes in the same RFC to
pass simply because it's the only way to get the voting margin changes.

Nikita

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