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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 10:29:49 +0000
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To: Peter Kokot <peterkokot@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecation ideas for PHP 8
From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins)

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On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 07:34, Peter Kokot <peterkokot@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, I didn't put my words correctly here. Not inconsistency.
> Inconsistency is a fact, yes. I've meant the incapability of doing
> something to fix this inconsistency. And it is becoming some sort of
> stubborn belief and less and less people want to fix it.
>
> The RFC: Consistent function names [1] shows the magnitude of this. I
> don't think every function listed there needs a change so it can be
> greatly reduced. But still this can be done in several years to 10
> years or so (measuring over the thumb).
>


Hi,

I'm sorry if I sound stubborn, but I have yet to see a reasonable answer to
the fundamental problem: the effort needed is not on the part of a few
volunteers changing the language, it is effort by *every single user of the
language*, rewriting *every single PHP program ever written*.

WordPress officially supports both PHP 5.2, released 13 years ago, and PHP
7.3, released a couple of months ago; one of their biggest challenges in
raising that bar is that they, too, have to persuade a community (the theme
and plugin authors) to change their code to match. That should give you
some idea of how long old and new names would have to exist side by side,
while we waited for everyone to rewrite all their code, and meanwhile, the
language would be *even more inconsistent*, because there would be extra
ways of writing the same thing.

Regards,
-- 
Rowan Collins
[IMSoP]

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