Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:102777 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 68291 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2018 21:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jul 2018 21:28:04 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=cmbecker69@gmx.de; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=cmbecker69@gmx.de; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: cmbecker69@gmx.de X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.227.17.20 mout.gmx.net Received: from [212.227.17.20] ([212.227.17.20:40131] helo=mout.gmx.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4C/71-57182-166764B5 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 17:28:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.102] ([79.222.41.233]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MFxwA-1for6x3Wic-00Ex6p; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 23:27:49 +0200 To: Levi Morrison Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Bj=c3=b6rn_Larsson?= , enno.woortmann@web.de, mail@pmmaga.net, me@jhdxr.com, internals References: <13b4eb91-6566-3724-d45d-aa63254e1f58@telia.com> Message-ID: <2af9f610-1f19-aa65-8c33-cd85bba1497a@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 23:27:46 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: de-DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1HOOwHtxbFqvo4+L9xq3y2x3MbVRggWuIj3AZfAEi3Wk/9WFI8L 3lzjCpxIb0rjYJmkMfbwAaLUFJoUvycN6RG67JLGHNRkyFsPvAdAqnHJrIjaSoXBf/yjUUh nd/A7zePjiInAuhtggVTy7ZnZH/BoyxChRphZO5oUrOsRxnbImfERkfyS11iytX8niYwGOV uBs4RSNuA7vAroCaSHB3Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:xP0fJ/z5igc=:PH/pWqs45+TV7iDFcCFalF x+0kUfYKPhwY8UWso9G74chA5W3lPXr8jNnIA57eZ7ZbrZl0lrYMlUhkiKP7HiqQy5XcsEl1r jrIfCJEmo8GbO45bfPC93WlDQ/fgQJ/FOoTVKJQeNO3M3mOqYC8Ilfwx7T2AE3Q7mPE1HnQxY lIFHy9HOlh5393iTzxvJTAzbY3Z2PLGeCf6Dy0nbIchXKWIvYI93sb9bPkBUNLmM9vsPAkgX3 HSIjTxNSrDKKPbll+tUsKEDkyfKzUkef4un58jgfXG+48AL25r2psDqxPlTmMgXTwCQVMZwtE Sq4He4kEl/LYtlIaEjaSVfgjZz6v0ooTaeI216yQXNkSqjNGUvHZxVuyxg+mgi8zOUR0qO+an bnRRe/GQiYlC20TjVYJVZkB9zqUTPQDWTZCWXLSlXNdrigxLow6j+150Y6PML0BlRB2FNquaq Wy/gQzM0qfR9UrPsS5HFlZiP68V3WI5sVMYks8Z3j+9FoQr7VESlLRXI0E863cobFjjieCwk9 HuGfos5I6hgrs1aDGAOGXUm/MeoP4OxlMV9tv6VDJRM491oHamqJe+c/yneZqFjqVAsdqv/ES q7oK9neQ/tMlytgCEQPpEGn604veuqlFshADVm8DbgS5bMGMJiRDbtByaF301JYtMfbtXQLnw Gk8INfcqsugghaPPUj7/vLSz4UI8x6P40uvfyc855s3QkgohD/IizjLYvAOuFwm9iBztrRlod L862CsD+xjYSofx1Ao7z0SsrL8pyVDUKxs9XJfHF0eaSYO5HNji0tCXcl08cFJUEal5CN1nsU PUBT/aL Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re:[PHP-DEV] [VOTE] array_key_first(),array_key_last(), array_value_first(),array_value_last() From: cmbecker69@gmx.de ("Christoph M. Becker") On 11.07.2018 at 18:16, Levi Morrison wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:27 AM Christoph M. Becker wrote: >> >> On 11.07.2018 at 17:19, Björn Larsson wrote: >> >>> I do like this approach with two functions array_first & array_last >>> returning >>> a tuple. However, voting is underway and it looks like it will pass. >>> >>> I wonder what the RFC author (Enno W) thinks about that approach? >> >> This already has been discussed weeks ago, see >> . > > This was not discussed, it was discarded. Enormous difference. Well, there was some discussion. Particularly noteworthy, was Rowan's post[1] which pointed out that the behavior of list is *undocumented*, and Larry's post[2] which strongly advises against “multi-returns”. And finally, as I understand it, the actual proposal that is put to vote is what the RFC *author* wants to propose. There is no strict necessity to deal with any suggestion for improvement. After all, it's up to the voters whether a particular RFC will be accepted or rejected. If anybody dislikes a certain RFC, they are free to point out their concerns, and to vote against the RFC. Period. [1] [2] -- Christoph M. Becker