Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:102753 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 20416 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2018 13:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jul 2018 13:52:20 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ocramius@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ocramius@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.46 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ocramius@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.46 mail-wm0-f46.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.46] ([74.125.82.46:51303] helo=mail-wm0-f46.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F2/D5-15421-E8B064B5 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 09:52:15 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f46.google.com with SMTP id s12-v6so2539926wmc.1 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 06:52:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QJP2M27L14JjBijwPSeyc+HqnjR+Oxk5DUTIKDJzKOk=; b=kqo/qBikq4wVzXvwrttnoOEbb0RL365jWAyYhwjD2kd4jn4iHbkcuNRlz0vDQOPoRL LTQu8k9RpaOiUdJytXnlmDkbEf6W/VrhfByIrmvxyMMrB8AL9JdkgwpHxLI/gweFG2bt o3dE2+9riHYQS07nXNyxD/Qv9KjEcOwXY9gXkOPmatoW23EmicuJP2pgsOitqt1nPXNS BrX4TWI7k/k5U0NCWm7Swsw/RRvEuocUGPT8WdBnd+wKFqx/Ty5rgQsigeE3v0wK/Y/f NtYFmkLYAgE2gIpI6Vs0bjnBQfBZTpR8sTN8xkNdYG4vRua4cMr/JZlSDeUEWfP8FLMK B4Yw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QJP2M27L14JjBijwPSeyc+HqnjR+Oxk5DUTIKDJzKOk=; b=H2N5qVEdTS1FQe/7fPp0atjjm948+t5gI+G0Y5dHwL957VDB8no4B4ydfEK9LsU0lr gIZ2jQUFQ4mYS1UfMm6TIv2OGOuY4smM4tOsUNdA0fhHtf+223CCNx/Eeu8zMMzLn1mJ lpWgKPw29saHRqloC4NTCpBkz6amVgSsES0Ok4e24RYOOjh1lSBzSQmnQwYx7AaJIRKV QcV06jG0InUdaPOXeCEbeevPF1sfsF8qMZ5Klwq0asW7XQ9DK9jzCx6BV+GNbZbK02mf APUr49wrHM+KzKQM3foy4zTQnD7+JQ5/gmP+j8I3oJjOeu59wMHZf7Xc+WfltuqaQAQ7 qzbg== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1KhjnyaF+uS3stDRJ5iEs8sDQtZPffXKZQzKhEiwvS89z+PPTB 9DssJULrp9KiMIfIvVF7d4sdcgx+M+/tKmXaMMs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpd91wj8F2SVnuqy/EwRYrkqfZBG7W1PXs6E05gd/zsFoZ957Eis3mMTiReRDtsRYFi2xvA2mYxv8PpKtvUq2dE= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:168a:: with SMTP id 132-v6mr18636058wmw.13.1531317130794; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 06:52:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:adf:f190:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 06:51:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8062036.rYxh8IFiYi@vulcan> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:51:49 +0200 Message-ID: To: Levi Morrison Cc: vsuraski@gmail.com, Larry Garfield , internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009e9b9e0570b98dc0" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Typed Properties From: ocramius@gmail.com (Marco Pivetta) --0000000000009e9b9e0570b98dc0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Levi Morrison wrote: > > My logic is quite simple: > > 1. Something as big as Typed Properties shouldn't be a last minute, > rushed > > RFC. Really - any RFC shouldn't - but in particular major language > changes. > > I have seen this sentiment expressed elsewhere. I want to personally > affirm that Nikita and Bob have been working hard on this for a long > time. This is not a last minute change being rushed. They have been > quite thorough and have discovered and fixed many edge cases that I > suspect other authors would not have found or would have ignored. Yes, > it is being voted on in the narrow gap between first alphas and > feature freeze but that does not mean it is rushed. Ack, and it is such a massive improvement that pushing it back now would simply delay a very huge jump (forward) in ecosystem quality at large for more than a year. Bob and Nikita got it right, they made something well thought out, well tested, and previously already discussed: give the vote a chance, add a sub-vote for which version to target, if required. Marco Pivetta http://twitter.com/Ocramius http://ocramius.github.com/ --0000000000009e9b9e0570b98dc0--