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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:31:34 +0300
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To: Ryan <iggyvolz@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unifying logical operators
From: narf@devilix.net (Andrey Andreev)

Hi,

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Ryan <iggyvolz@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:58 PM, Andrey Andreev <narf@devilix.net> wrote:
>
>> isset($foo) OR $foo = 'bar'; (and similar variations using empty()
>> and/or &&) is another pattern I use often to set fallback values for
>> empty or missing inputs.
>>
>> An eventual deprecation would make literally all of my code output
>> entire screens of warnings.
>>
>
> $foo=$foo??"bar"; would work there.  I could definitely see this being an
> issue if you weren't using isset (although a concrete example of that
> doesn't come to mind right away).
>

I'm very well aware of the alternatives, that's not the point. I and
although not a majority, many others too would have to go and replace
countless instances of OR usage, for no reason other than "it can be
done another way".

Aside from a few people asking what the difference is, in more than a
decade with PHP, I've never seen a single person who's had a problem
with the operators you want to deprecate. They're not a common cause
for bugs even by a long shot, nor a common annoyance, so I fail to see
the benefits of your proposal.

Cheers,
Andrey.