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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unifying logical operators
From: walterp@gmail.com (Walter Parker)

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Alice Wonder <alice@librelamp.com> wrote:

> On 07/10/2018 07:20 PM, Ryan wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:26 AM, Walter Parker <walterp@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>
>>
>>> That is a matter of style, as I find $a =3D func() or die more clear th=
at
>>> the version that uses ||
>>>
>>> Not chaining stuff together is a third style.
>>>
>>> This feels like a Python PEP request. By that I mean that Python wants =
to
>>> have only one way to do any one task. Perl style is there=E2=80=99s mor=
e than one
>>> way to do it.
>>>
>>> PHP has been a mix of these styles.
>>>
>>> The big question I have is how much PHP code will break due to an
>>> enforced
>>> style requirement?.
>>>
>>>
>> As I said in the OP, out of the top 30 GitHub repositories (the first pa=
ge
>> on the API since I couldn't figure out how to get to the second), there
>> was
>> only one line that would require a change (and it was copy-pasted from t=
he
>> manual).  Obviously there's no way to truly know how many times it's use=
d
>> in non-public code, but I'll expand my GitHub search and report back som=
e
>> more solid metrics.
>>
>
> Using github may not be the most reliable method.
>
>
There are 67 Million repositories on GitHub, is picking the top 30 PHP
projects a representative sample of PHP use across the Internet?
80% of web servers where the back end language was known had PHP according
to a recent survey.
Picking 30 popular open source projects might bias the results of what you
think is going in PHP usage.


Look at what is most popularly used in composer dependencies.
>
> For example, I know xor is used in PHP Codesniffer which while likely not
> often part of deployed code is very often a devel dependency.
>
> I think phpunit also uses xor and is also very popular.
>
> I use xor myself but my use is purely hobby (I have a pseudo-RNG written
> in PHP that can take any source of data, random or not, and pass it throu=
gh
> a filter that makes it pass pRNG tests - showing that passing tests doesn=
't
> mean a random source is necessarily random enough for cryptography)
>
> Anyway as I believe you have already conceded, nuking xor would require
> many projects used a lot to have to change.
>
>
>
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