Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:102720 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 34565 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2018 16:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jul 2018 16:36:58 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=narf@devilix.net; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=narf@devilix.net; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain devilix.net designates 74.125.82.46 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: narf@devilix.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.46 mail-wm0-f46.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.46] ([74.125.82.46:36826] helo=mail-wm0-f46.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 13/E8-15421-8A0E44B5 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 12:36:58 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f46.google.com with SMTP id s14-v6so25054635wmc.1 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 09:36:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=devilix.net; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=D3FduRTcKM1zQj3giFdpuRcemlgxxATFvhvVgtEfU3c=; b=Ti3NFE+wx8YpGpEP4FVzIr44efyR2cJgNNgak4OOjzV4L9vo91UyH2ZmboCnDsdVeK +vfIdAGZ3+79oZPiPZY8MOHXHIe7u0M5qrWwPrnRzZ1n4gemKhxfPhmGG6TI92CQA2CT ab+2T85uYgO/6eiF3A9/VA4+0ceRUiwSUoApk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=D3FduRTcKM1zQj3giFdpuRcemlgxxATFvhvVgtEfU3c=; b=JKn81aicUzOx9jC3e7Kfb+xPmYWTqb01FtBEQGVuaPsWOl7z835ag/Sn7q4XPTCJYL vlg8jpFSppGAKA3XtekWZVhvxF0iDd6Bn1KsogcnkvWdD+GiIPqbAD3PltL+CAx2QZl2 DI7xzrN336cGKOzoaDztfCOvH9V3PPTPHUvHz+yjSklZ/lZ9fLhGCcwrIAQKxiDW3kCW 5WtepOj74yXe1ULPHuSwLZurhTSS+628tz8EBNgryL1s477/+PVZJwrxCKYrjity93gM +4WMx+OPVEk1tlENGLpbA7vkoZvC/1H7yz09PLJb4ArCXNCiHQXlySzJW8ydKvDwyhAR lHLA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E2Axu+NitdP0gzSSAxFGp47j66gjXCRZZEstNm0qEAqZ2zrrrFR 2OHfrbzNScLyyVgCO3cDUvyc41UaK/ivuTgSXB50RVYtjGk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpfaFjvFmYlr89q5O2pT/3+ppIEE313ErXFYRpTs7aJYMAYYvtMm1sXP03Zw+ZQ/gWP8Kd40gjAvShvof5dVsx0= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:647:: with SMTP id 68-v6mr16347711wmg.82.1531240613890; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 09:36:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:adf:9f13:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 09:36:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 19:36:53 +0300 Message-ID: To: Sara Golemon Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] On not rushing things at the last minute From: narf@devilix.net (Andrey Andreev) Hi, On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Sara Golemon wrote: > I'm disappointed by the last minute kitchen-sink dump of RFCs being > raised, rushed through discussion, and voted on with minimal periods. > While I'm all for delivering useful features to end users, I don't > want us to get in the habit of seeing months of quiet followed by > weeks of chaos every year around this time. This isn't even new, > though it seems like it's becoming more commonplace with the adoption > of the yearly cadence. > > What are the causes? > Aside from life keeping you busy until you realize it's that time of the year again, I believe it's just the short development cycle and is no coincidence that this has been happenning more often since getting into a yearly schedule. In my observation, adoption rates are slower than the release cycle and so it's kind of like ... I barely got to enjoy the shiny new thing and the next feature freeze is already happening. And then also, we're always eager to get our idea in before feature freeze, but that's hard to achieve unless we come up with it in January or earlier, but since everybody's naturally got their eyes set on version.next, few people think about X.Z before X.Y is released. I don't know if this can be fixed though. It's just hard to keep up with schedules on side projects and let's face it - PHP is nobody's primary job, so any work spent on it is by definition a side project. Cheers, Andrey.