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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 17:25:20 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Typed Properties
From: nikita.ppv@gmail.com (Nikita Popov)

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On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:25 PM, Christoph M. Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de>
wrote:

> On 05.07.2018 at 13:05, Bj=C3=B6rn Larsson wrote:
>
> > Den 2018-07-05 kl. 12:17, skrev Nikita Popov:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Bj=C3=B6rn Larsson
> >> <bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Den 2018-06-21 kl. 20:41, skrev Sara Golemon:
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:57 PM, Dan Ackroyd <danack@basereality.com=
>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 21 June 2018 at 17:49, Stanislav Malyshev <smalyshev@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I think it's better not
> >>>>>> to feel pressured by the deadline for 7.3
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> The deadline isn't a deadline - it's just the current consensus for
> >>>>> when we'd like to see 7.3 released.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If people thought this RFC needed more time but would make PHP 7.3 =
a
> >>>>> lot better, would there be any harm in moving the 7.3 release back =
a
> >>>>> few weeks?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sure.  I would *far* prefer that over jamming this in without any
> >>>> change in the GA date.  We have to be careful about exactly when we
> >>>> push it to.  The current GA date wasn't chosen arbitrarily, but with
> >>>> concern regarding the proximity to the holiday season.
> >>>
> >>> Any chance getting this into 7.3? I think it would be a
> >>> great addition. According to Marco Pivettas mail from
> >>> 26/6 it works flawlessly.
> >>>
> >>> Givven the current discussion about 8.0 it feels a bit
> >>> way off having this to wait for this feature until 2020.
> >>
> >> We have recently finished the last major change to the implementation
> >> (switching to https://wiki.php.net/rfc/typed_properties_v2#
> >> references_without_intrinsic_type -- the RFC still needs to be updated
> >> for
> >> this change). However, there is still quite a bit of refactoring and
> >> polish
> >> to be done. Unfortunately, we are running out of time. There are alrea=
dy
> >> less than two weeks until the currently planned feature freeze, before
> >> which the vote must be finished and the implementation merged. For suc=
h
> a
> >> major feature, I don't like the idea of rushing the vote to such a
> >> degree.
> >>
> >> As such, I think that this feature can only go into 7.3 if the release
> >> schedule is adjusted. Extending the schedule by another 2-week alpha
> >> cycle
> >> would be sufficient to land this proposal in PHP 7.3. Otherwise it wil=
l
> >> just have to wait a few years for the next applicable release (based o=
n
> >> recent discussions, it's not entirely clear whether that would be PHP
> 7.4
> >> or 8.0).
> >
> > Sounds like the RMs for 7.3 need to weigh in on this.
> > For me I think it's worthwhile delaying two weeks, +1.
>
> Is there any precendent for postponing feature freeze during the (late)
> alpha stage?
>

This was done for the PHP 7.1 release at pretty much the same time (before
the beta1 release it was decided to go with another alpha instead), for
much the same reasons (pending RFCs, though I don't remember the
specifics). See https://externals.io/message/94330 for the announcement
mail.

Nikita

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