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From: mark@lange.demon.co.uk (Mark Baker) On 24/06/2018 18:23, Rowan Collins wrote: > I've argued before that there should be a roadmap and a cycle for major releases, and if not, then some agreement on what triggers one, but we've so far not managed to agree either. I do believe a road map and a cycle is a good idea. I'm hearing some complaints from on the ground that releases are currently too frequent, making it difficult for larger organisations to keep up when they have to retest all their own apps/libraries/plugins with the new versions. A fixed cycle and schedule could help plan for change. -- Mark Baker _________ |. \ \-3 |_J_/ PHP | || | __ | || |m| |m| I LOVE PHP