Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:102416 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 86338 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2018 13:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jun 2018 13:52:18 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.208.42 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.208.42 mail-ed1-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.208.42] ([209.85.208.42:44895] helo=mail-ed1-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 94/C4-50433-093F03B5 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 09:52:18 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f42.google.com with SMTP id c17-v6so5474354eds.11 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 06:52:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mdP6cu3rJhqCc4r/KLpgSnx7p1LC8/8qkettVj8k1d4=; b=h+zlbz9vWX5fhazv0jGSQ8sfBWqpwqMQ1G4GNNMUFn3xkbtNdEDHuczstRPnPWPgZn ijyHSTpWi+GilR8RcsDTEU81wAW0GyW5ZDb1g8CAeAsuelm9OsHWqEXtM7PBIrPvP09J SIIdqmnVl2GUDXrhWfgkePsm3phef341KYgeJzyGK24bQPAilmv1ERpJpBBCgfJO1GtG 8afyz0M2BKlyQG0/bic40vhm1DPHO6U0dKNW1YOh1ks4A/UABwB93j1QN2SOzZIF/d7b Y5dwFTdG3HKi/zU5p1A+l2YQ0LZxg2EhbkZFfiHWBBAfYtKoajz2h0arHBCE5LYsRg29 5dlQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mdP6cu3rJhqCc4r/KLpgSnx7p1LC8/8qkettVj8k1d4=; b=PDhPXZhei11Pg8l1+fL7plsspmjfQwrDoyYegBRcLzKkFsdJIboNA+17PSwoEs9mzL VlHtl1Vm/YS6p6JDK+GfYkyscF37iDqkq97kGMR/UoFW4j5wKmjPiW3/VTVpUPE/e8Yi zrILam5iuneg6BgNpntAirysJYX3WNOMVqcZLMnRjzN1Aa/ezjlgf7rwxUoG8lNiCeT+ qBmTjsguAZe3AZ3TLxdAHPPgjz5H1eElWdXtEAvweqO8N4NmCU758JCA6S6umTbNDFQq OKyLkEtvSE6SEh11zWbEetwMYI2fcTNyc4+HENxYV4I8UahnACStlybLozrp6cuMXHJp 95bQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3Bgc4AX40iTZ17e+aKAILH0fMEeZqJ1at5oxkhWh5w+o7FXFzf qzysC55xm8KPJMJxmxZQN6RUhUGJ5r30jvZ/MaY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKIR/5dqMrVL9xOXgrxMgnrEWP0g+rY2Vq8+8giEs3Drcc1BT0x04c0w2P4l/29mzSBtp/0SSEpUJZHp6MVOLPQ= X-Received: by 2002:a50:f4d8:: with SMTP id v24-v6mr7370679edm.162.1529934733984; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 06:52:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a50:8d55:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 06:52:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4CD11D3A-D799-46CF-9DD0-E34552FB15CD@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 14:52:13 +0100 Message-ID: To: Levi Morrison Cc: internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next? From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) Hi Levi, On 24 June 2018 22:26:24 BST, Levi Morrison wrote: >> Are there particular breaking changes that you think would be ready >in 2 years time that wouldn't be ready in 1? > >Certainly. Large breaks require multi-year planning and multiple >releases to add migration paths, documentation and training, >deprecations, etc, before the change itself happens. If PHP 8 is the >next release then we've missed the window for deprecations and >warnings (mostly; feature freeze is imminent). That makes sense. :) What do you think about planning 8.0 for 2020, which gives us a year to build those plans into 7.4? I think it would be good to set a specific target, even if only approximately, so that we don't just have the same discussion in a year's time. >I wish our symbol tables were merged. If they were they we could >nicely solve some issues... I'm not entirely sure what deprecation would look like for this, but I guess that makes it a perfect example of something that needs time to plan. :) Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]