Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:102395 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 13923 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2018 17:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Jun 2018 17:23:29 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.47 mail-wm0-f47.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.47] ([74.125.82.47:54118] helo=mail-wm0-f47.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6D/3B-13077-F83DF2B5 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2018 13:23:29 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f47.google.com with SMTP id x6-v6so6748585wmc.3 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2018 10:23:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:to:from:message-id; bh=0H22k5Sb2RwHSnTm8ruzqVWuWVULNYDR9QxV2lINdrk=; b=vHPe9/EQdDd+4uljCM2mBvPA7kQ2bPAilZ2lbe5mcCpLfu94ENRo0x1FCXG16NuF/s LwCdaA/31/wC5ZaqI5Hw0wa8Jvsp3mn9Q6FjM2kI0w48R+axh1L7vx1jX8Npzl5VmjzW mAllCKazBCrUJUbx/X7g0bfIUHxdfpk/5cUnX+3yIsQAf7Uf6koNuK5ODmKkkwgIdxzi xtKxsmqwfYJtZdHBhxxjHMIkdgHRmv70e5cYiJzn7AxayEvrU+k8I/+1Nh9JEej4LXIP Q/mpiNQuDc8ZrINEQFgDJmJX0BIrwtjdd+RhAw+r2XWohp1to44BBWlMZ+8SWmXKlaZx SFKg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:to:from:message-id; bh=0H22k5Sb2RwHSnTm8ruzqVWuWVULNYDR9QxV2lINdrk=; b=albx0UB6yAxz5diB8t07Mwek6lv1593zqDnY2EMaWQpL6Y5LKBYb1/3b4Jd8K16vFw 8mVpsJWyUQrsL55c5p6h3JT1//aCKAQsYLQ9UGNeJivRuSMn72vIAupTiD87pSMXSA/g M/rdwR9LULwZoAI5eGU1b/MUnK/QtZiolcmHIY22yAneDSGccv+/NK4csh5SL4v98BI/ Z7gJ+QnNpQBOJ1glKlMH2uLUQJLA+al679XawcB7I/Mh2cPxtIxYAu1KV68YpHIIEWpI SPoB8Ccmeg6kWOypr45Uc0Y7m6zzVR6AMIsiiIXuwghDut1PvJSZxePRg98CBkRzlfV9 lpAQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3Yma1Mcc7Zs5DkuCQgEwWgDXK9y+O6TW5o5uauFH78Fl5k3gaq /qseO4fzdJ9k4up/ITKz+/zZsg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpd83w98Pk9had8zSH2seWFttFDP2pRHZStN6EfsPeX+Niv2kevEUzVfUUHVy2x4DOUaL1CVTQ== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:d9d0:: with SMTP id q199-v6mr1940234wmg.78.1529861004486; Sun, 24 Jun 2018 10:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2a00:23c4:4b86:4b00:e9ac:7dab:b4ff:a411? ([2a00:23c4:4b86:4b00:e9ac:7dab:b4ff:a411]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m8-v6sm15953129wrr.50.2018.06.24.10.23.23 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 24 Jun 2018 10:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2018 18:23:19 +0100 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----SM6LOLEM4YGW3PG128JR362KZRWTUZ" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: <4CD11D3A-D799-46CF-9DD0-E34552FB15CD@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next? From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) ------SM6LOLEM4YGW3PG128JR362KZRWTUZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 24 June 2018 15:31:18 BST, Levi Morrison wrote: >My position stands: I *strongly* object=2E If we rush to PHP 8 then it >will be at least 4-5 more years before we have another chance for >breakages in PHP 9=2E We can add features yearly=2E Then when is the right time? We already have a list of deprecated features= , and I believe some have already waited 4 years=2E Are there particular breaking changes that you think would be ready in 2 y= ears time that wouldn't be ready in 1? I've argued before that there should be a roadmap and a cycle for major re= leases, and if not, then some agreement on what triggers one, but we've so = far not managed to agree either=2E Regards, --=20 Rowan Collins [IMSoP] ------SM6LOLEM4YGW3PG128JR362KZRWTUZ--