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Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2018 18:58:43 -0600
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To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com>
Cc: Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net>, Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com>, 
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?
From: levim@php.net (Levi Morrison)

On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:11 PM Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: php@golemon.com [mailto:php@golemon.com] On Behalf Of Sara
> > Golemon
> > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:07 AM
> > To: Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com>
> > Cc: PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
> > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
> > > Based on some recent conversations, I'm getting the impression that
> > > after PHP 7.3, we might want to go for PHP 8 next.
> > >
> > > I'd like to discuss and possibility decide this now, as that would
> > > make PHP
> > > 7.3 the last chance to get in deprecations.
> > >
> > Would you mind elaborating on your motivations for a major version bump=
.  I'm
> > not saying I disagree in principle, I'm just curious what you're seeing=
 the drivers
> > as.
>
> This is slightly earlier than I intended to bring it up but I do too thin=
k that the next version beyond 7.3 should be 8.
>
> I'll send a more detailed letter next week - but in a nutshell, the main =
drivers I'm seeing are JIT, FFI and possibly doing something in the front o=
f async/long running processes.  Of course there may be other ones as well,=
 but I think that these alone constitute sufficient grounds for launching a=
 new major version.
>
> Zeev
>

Neither JIT nor FFI require backwards compatibility breaks in
language. I don't think either of those particular features would
substantially break the C API either. If these are the motivations for
PHP 8 then I strongly object.