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To: Alice Wonder <alice@librelamp.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?
From: tendoaki@gmail.com (Michael Morris)

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On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 6:39 PM Alice Wonder <alice@librelamp.com> wrote:

> On 06/23/2018 03:11 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: php@golemon.com [mailto:php@golemon.com] On Behalf Of Sara
> >> Golemon
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:07 AM
> >> To: Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com>
> >> Cc: PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> Based on some recent conversations, I'm getting the impression that
> >>> after PHP 7.3, we might want to go for PHP 8 next.
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to discuss and possibility decide this now, as that would
> >>> make PHP
> >>> 7.3 the last chance to get in deprecations.
> >>>
> >> Would you mind elaborating on your motivations for a major version
> bump.  I'm
> >> not saying I disagree in principle, I'm just curious what you're seein=
g
> the drivers
> >> as.
> >
> > This is slightly earlier than I intended to bring it up but I do too
> think that the next version beyond 7.3 should be 8.
>
> I disagree.
>
> I'm mostly a user, not a PHP developer.
>
> RHEL 7.5, the latest version of RHEL, still ships 5.4.
>
> Other LTS distributions also probably ship 5.x.
>
> So a major version bump now would mean three major versions of PHP that
> web applications intended to "just work" on enterprise *nix would have
> to support.
>
> If there was a major design flaw in PHP that can only truly be fixed by
> an incompatible version bump past 7 then do it but otherwise, I think it
> would be better to wait until the most recent versions of enterprise
> distributions have moved to php 7.
>
> I'm hoping RHEL 8 does, the benefits are tremendous of 7 over 6.x, but...
>
> The issue is some customers of enterprise linux specifically don't want
> frankenstein systems and want to use vendor supported packages only, and
> I can see their point of view because they pay a lot of money for that
> support.
>
> That being said, I try to get everyone running old PHP up to 7.1 or 7.2
> even if it means frankenstein systems. But some think the benefit of
> enterprise vendor support outweighs the improvements in PHP.
>
>
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If we=E2=80=99re going to 8 can we please fix the ternary operator now???

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