Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:102246 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 34776 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2018 20:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Jun 2018 20:40:10 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=cmbecker69@gmx.de; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=cmbecker69@gmx.de; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: cmbecker69@gmx.de X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.227.15.19 mout.gmx.net Received: from [212.227.15.19] ([212.227.15.19:35415] helo=mout.gmx.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F5/44-29356-921812B5 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:40:10 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.114] ([79.222.35.93]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MbgWb-1flhJY2HCf-00J2hf; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 22:40:05 +0200 To: Stanislav Malyshev , Rowan Collins , internals@lists.php.net References: <49a93c54-6049-df02-7607-18c34b2fd3ce@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ab5b704-33ed-f19f-a4f9-10c5539ee62f@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 22:40:12 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49a93c54-6049-df02-7607-18c34b2fd3ce@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: de-DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:3/8PbuwegsdY1v9hBdXNhkWZR3SVHgZ87Y6jRFE5f/YxVXgP15D /55SZ8uooQyU5yv7HZYPxGSrZvpC2c0KEH5MLb2sKKp+MSLyT05EYe1v1E2/+SHX8138at3 DGy6OVmGFdtapxnxlH1pT7MLJ0+X4XD6wKqI6hQIxvhLBM+GOiJRM8fn4MGk4oTzebxXBGH oF7GItl359f6mewwz71hw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:7bBQbs2+if0=:BTXAWpDCwf2y3dLLaGHZmg b0pgzyKJvHezUM1UZyd0OCDqzCiVwWIhCt4Pze7HAC4MlFe7wDGjWHcn+u/eAlTCrie2MJ1BD CSToKEuvTuxvKSrYKy29g2BL/Cn9inxNP974sMr/Lqx+GJD/BAshqZ18VVYwLC5Dwfr45z483 HekMI0xmk2iCuHo4jjgSGWiJSnlLBzWrtmzEiFkRbbzAlfaYMDwm1/NpoWGCd41toMiP5GjaI ASpdgJh5MVfZ9PkE6dbe1cnSeTzWJF/UFh3TBPP07FoA6ReEZ32p9FsqINHW9C+NsOyMwcWtG aKA81lVQJb/Ev68qL/PJ6XfKJLKaww6berB+CZqtkef07NirJiMbdWFStc5B0IpOSP5Tcaw4U wjlfTBsnd2dzcS67G/nwdrqr9SSeiuR2vMQfDFAS4hfcIoZhJhxxtA1zTZIAGE/dsXByUUMd8 YkYh7jPCmSVIyxZVWkCTh42pRK9c69DhflFWorxmIjBxKHuu2Jkt+fzuTBjP3s0ATnDVdmRAx zOp7PmlMvAZ1I1UBIW3bQJ2aUL6F77TJUjxayOy+S5StRK23lVzlmsc+bluBDiS0DldESTz// 758bEY8jXKCxAtRg6WQCyW4e0RbgASGqb0pPfiEgz6I53uoU0XOLqg1Do2gDcPSb0FK/RnddY eRTBNKMp4qvK/bZBVXcwRk2vOmzbWUdoqWbaIu5Tq6hMnvd78frMDi8rzvtOuU406YmokJfG9 cxlxfRIjr6J6vT6iH8BeNGWJnSbFbIt+AE7SQ5ymjJ+RAEUNiVIWza0gKHSh9ubDwkbnMqRO+ u9QKCpo Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] orphan extensions cleanup From: cmbecker69@gmx.de ("Christoph M. Becker") On 12.06.2018 at 23:33, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >>> I'm afraid this might be misused.  It's too easy to update the year >>> number, without actually doing *any* real maintenance work (“I'll come >>> back to that later” …).  Some automated process would be nice, but >>> manually checking the bug tracker for maintenance work (particularly >>> wrt. security issues), and/or the commit log seems to be okay for now. >> >> That sounds like you're looking for a technical solution to an >> organisational / social problem: if someone lists themselves as a >> maintainer, they are making a commitment to volunteer their effort. That >> commitment could be defined somewhere if it's not already, but it's >> never going to be an automatically measurable SLA. > > I agree here. If somebody cares enough to update the number, and by that > commit to maintainership, this is already more than halfway towards the > solution. We can never force anyone to be an active maintainer, or to > allocate specific amount of time to fixing bugs or develop features, but > the problem now is that we don't even have anybody in any maintainership > capacity. We've had some people listed that haven't been active for > years, and just remain there by default. I think once we solve this > problem and have explicit commitment from maintainers, the question of > how to make this commitment turn into a real work will be much better > problem to have. We will still have to deal with it, obviously, but I > think we first have to even get there. Okay, you've convinced me. :) -- Christoph M. Becker