Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101864 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 46167 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2018 23:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Feb 2018 23:14:56 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=cmbecker69@gmx.de; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=cmbecker69@gmx.de; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: cmbecker69@gmx.de X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.227.15.18 mout.gmx.net Received: from [212.227.15.18] ([212.227.15.18:60811] helo=mout.gmx.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 48/8E-26725-F61738A5 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:14:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.105] ([87.167.204.39]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Mey7N-1f9aAE3ke9-00OWKW; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:14:52 +0100 To: Wes , Sara Golemon Cc: PHP Internals References: Message-ID: <7a9f65eb-e54c-abbe-d661-f5e5420f6528@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:14:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: de-DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:d/LtYzoGCutZ4YEvwr2OBnOyeq0pWgklZZnJwZM3k3e/7TCkGd0 cyC/6FuSU5v314wIrfWBVMy7ZVApCvjVvdtBdeiQrHsX1wckS1qHlA2pSHDeNvVcDSqDcM6 CvLpS+9ra4g3UIDZIPIae7gRb/ikK8Vc530mzML50ahC389Jm32sSo4EX0L1n4dsMnZmAZq Ad9cJow2JoYi4ZiJUK+vg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:+Xn319JRNuc=:kxOaerxaQlY+saz83N185x LUeJ1rMH+9AwKqgAKdHLclBM1B7hecgZ6WDr+PsLzodr6itsUu/9O6xBRvfzsJEylcpTdRqRU Y1Tj3XYW+QD9Bbw+CB84UWgdT2ZTpeAPBMyZoT2PZsqu2UNxok7LicUvzZ58+ao27Wvdb2Fh4 B8Zvgb1r52dtCTcMfvLg/8HOBsqb0O2AD65P/JcEBGZ8y2jlv5WeAn8tp745v+euINOALPNpV YLBPczbfqymChdfjkiIQCktQGmtnlXh/EMjBMMkL/2xNPsA5A7UMGm0GlZHIY33cpt2FAuomG EkelP1aXNhMaQQ4sRdQUKgtw6DJzIMdP+XpHwXuLTb+GdNyTbks8GktSbZxlPp/+01coAl950 bJPeujcTH4L0gQP3RXRDPuaia5z7Rjn1l7vEC82yUd2ys0+0Rk85C+owwLzB+eEv/9s5MmpJ3 bMDWqCdU1K5Dd9My7OlM9Spo/qza2OoMhTTc7tfdNgQYe2lWni4UmXfddJA/6xPrKDMw7yK2E gXeXZAot4SzYnVS2gFSjpZyrsBT3+hhWjF/+epo0YBcQe0k+cYQz5GjUtpd2t1qhoStIzNgL3 131NYAclKkDEpJuHl3vFnjiXFezDx59msjPgGTbzGLs0ujCJ06TsBdhS1iQnu3AYpG8RdC+J3 Az6KRlzfabKyneD8o4H5Ds4tTcybRLw8gASPui+9h6I1jrsFyqq3GJFOnGXbxTnUNaoBCQA4p V9wcCh76+By62PY0r6xnYKPnvPqKWdXH69mWoJyt95HdnqQrvxlfRyY4VmjOLJqKSSfz6k3jY HzgfLW7r2dZ3VFBFb1J4bDI74S6fuxAqQDR6wndCh26WxMZrm8= Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV][RFC][DISCUSSION] Deprecate the backtick operator From: cmbecker69@gmx.de ("Christoph M. Becker") On 13.02.2018 at 23:41, Wes wrote: > Consider that people dislike writing \strlen(), they will for sure dislike > writing u"string". Hence reassigning backticks to unicode strings seemed to > me like a possibility. Okay. However, in my opinion, it is a bad idea to suggest a deprecation of a feature that *might* be used differently sometime in the future, because if it will not, the deprecation doesn't make any sense. So, YAGNI applies somehow. Actually, for me the only valid argument to deprecate the backtick operator is "because it is a shady way to execute a rare and dangerous operation". I, personally, would make that the main reason for the deprecation proposal, and would move the other arguments to the "future scope" section. -- Christoph M. Becker