Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101860 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 29845 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2018 18:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Feb 2018 18:47:39 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@golemon.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@golemon.com; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (pb1.pair.com: domain golemon.com does not designate 209.85.220.180 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@golemon.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.180 mail-qk0-f180.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.180] ([209.85.220.180:38432] helo=mail-qk0-f180.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 10/5C-26725-AC2338A5 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 13:47:38 -0500 Received: by mail-qk0-f180.google.com with SMTP id s198so7528733qke.5 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 10:47:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=golemon-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=ZjYNOfHPJHQyuegAIr2Notu5iz/nH0ZS5Rvz6lajk/U=; b=1U8uqr612lOE0yPNFXSPi1VGqnv9Ft1lxw1d7gOYCkNZjpk3Kc/mbuLXUHqZt+jts4 Zdm16mZF9Lu319Dw/ey32BJEXHE6mnu3z5W9LFlzT5IKcyjsNH1IcoV35ujTM2vwu592 ggNW0xiA8HVVReNGJhqXd+X2dG2A3Kn0sHW1HOSNbSp+iLOt/C7tv8fS99C2G55BTq3e KOlryr7FktwSf+ZANd2A4ptbrtL/bUid1uAFYomKoD81kvx/a/bh1DXVwjZqfPKrKDnM zGtzdwPAwyQqt7oneNH8d7hFFcLWDo+UPceZ7Y38J2Mon4ApC0g78wghv+01uVP+jZEp rxRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ZjYNOfHPJHQyuegAIr2Notu5iz/nH0ZS5Rvz6lajk/U=; b=pFXsPC2XKteZvfPgzmBjITiz5WhVrHICYK8LiTfLVlHAxPjb4vzo3knMyUkU+r0Eoj Qf7aN5X+FG/xTW801p0j/eQZDi3RPjuhms+KtrnQFtjuMdxULweHXgrkQEMqydeAdG9n Yqi8SLmfLymw+Z8JuDTRZ5ghxoy2bIdFkPjlOZ906pFGFBVM73Gzp2WtbXt9mzJw/U5v 3FxCYRc+475a5aKpp2Plk+a4VUOfvykGuwgzlgGPoZ+Rs50RnWV9amJhUPLsbLvjhM/2 x/xOUQV43/bsqfh1aTuA44GavzMUSpUypaQfaqLvwicYbmTkeMq41hIcjjvAcIlWe/yo RGGg== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPAt9ibKATNRqzMVkz4sxvRCeUxA7FCZHWC/TQfvwQf65oDl5X+8 cH+qoNA+0fRzAYPOYK7knxgtjJk1VZkP9+ag0rqrFg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227EZkpeSDlZaxvIgpw0VSZsMVloVfAol9KN926KlOyR029P4A3oAPlnM5dS8R1E3GS3aZFx+zt8sVepnnuNCdU= X-Received: by 10.55.141.67 with SMTP id p64mr3133659qkd.43.1518547655772; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 10:47:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: php@golemon.com Received: by 10.12.197.144 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 10:47:35 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [206.252.215.26] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 13:47:35 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b8LC1kPZ7yxjwl_Fy_MFUW103Lg Message-ID: To: David Rodrigues Cc: Wes , Stanislav Malyshev , PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV][RFC][DISCUSSION] Deprecate the backtick operator From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon) On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:35 PM, David Rodrigues wrote: > It too could causes confusion with single-quote in some fonts, sizes and > styles. > > Is more easy to identify shell_exec() than backtick usage, anyway. > > It have exactly the same behaviour than shell_exec(). Do not need adapt > usage beyond of the replacement itself. > Those reasons are enough to move my -1 to a -0.5 (meaning I'd consider abstaining on a vote). The argument about reserving `foo` for unicode strings in some far-flung future don't hold any water. A. We tried Unicode, it went poorly, and we learned that ext/intl does the job quite well. As someone who put a lot of work into PHP 6, I don't see a reason to change that assessment. B. If we DID take a second stab at unicode, we have syntax for unicode strings already, ( u"Unicody", b"Binaryish" ) which doesn't require coopting syntax that's been around for most of the language's lifetime. -Sara