Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101836 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 21288 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2018 09:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Feb 2018 09:16:21 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mtkocak@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mtkocak@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.83.68 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mtkocak@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.83.68 mail-pg0-f68.google.com Received: from [74.125.83.68] ([74.125.83.68:45466] helo=mail-pg0-f68.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 85/1B-18020-36B518A5 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 04:16:19 -0500 Received: by mail-pg0-f68.google.com with SMTP id e11so1189708pgq.12 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:16:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=OdHWAdhXdXuY2NetL7E9Ze1LO03tmoVRjJlYsn6OxcQ=; b=Uwi/0k09Y1TjMC+ewb4ZNL5arlIrAVwr3pwjGG/eLcWbTLBtghbZERr66FsF1iQ6TT FJNDr+eCD0PImEkwVJiM6OjeHk/c4/hCT6TwtH8m9Ipw/B99RoVSytOhR7ThlC6enJTd ewU6n2ZOkxQgMFssxm5qnZRXHg4vnmmx63mSOndX6CiHhXR5YAI62AgVjTGnI1XwEy+w PVKKXknCOmwRWrOlY2cmoGADmZJdXVaPZD+3CpDnxN05QgTBDIxHUZKBzRTIRNWAR5cE JGICC7/PxWjCKhPZF0qdC8lcqLASVqqdqvwGCUlJyEGJqh732XZOqKb7DODDZRzSx9W+ Dt1Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OdHWAdhXdXuY2NetL7E9Ze1LO03tmoVRjJlYsn6OxcQ=; b=TEmU5XGCwfuvfwahsAXxJhZ8sv9QkF3n9hC9PLvkCogRsDvZkIJkkSXY/08kBCDMEp MW+/yqaxqUAAxwt7/RtjkQeKnbEeBfMlnkh61KWrkrzU2zpBwWFi353ejfcEVV5xusDY xrvmy/SrvMP73kLMQ9TBxsIYDHS+JSIxllCKQT9ZZ3e/R30WIic1mC1fKJpiT8mRsBPm U+x+KzSL9z+58WMmizIRsen6Gy0MtZsm6MwOtReNyFTUVgj7QlNZVypO4MYKvuOUBZhL RNIbN3Rq0hy1+iJAT2TDalyF2wscafjScnlEro1hXuRCgUlBwelxfxiFuIRQdfhpuLie DFFA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCw+7DtFGJkGJQ1KWYb4O759I1cvA4ZqnXBpE7oxw/EKoNmgb9Q h+ALGaWkzAf9Tb3BxgFRuVs4lfct3aYuhTaX2hs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225unPxq5iFdRSYWs+M8OeEs6RLu0NC2mwNTqDtfG5ph4wSEpyVvUiaNBdWrBotUOCJrnrADFPydc1r9pCwVelw= X-Received: by 10.101.69.141 with SMTP id o13mr8568356pgq.394.1518426976947; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:16:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.142.79 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:16:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <912682b0-14ce-9d47-5a3b-f4aa7231fe6d@gmail.com> References: <2680937a-3214-edb4-8366-73fc35168233@gmail.com> <912682b0-14ce-9d47-5a3b-f4aa7231fe6d@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:16:16 +0100 Message-ID: To: Stanislav Malyshev Cc: Wes , PHP Internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e08223fec9412700565005407" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV][RFC][DISCUSSION] Deprecate the backtick operator From: mtkocak@gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Midori_Ko=C3=A7ak?=) --089e08223fec9412700565005407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sounded reasonable to me. At least for security. On 11 February 2018 at 21:24, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > It's absolutely impossible to treat notices as errors in PHP, so I > > assume everybody thinks the same. If someone converts notices to > > ErrorExceptions or something, it's their fault. > > A notice in tests is exactly what a deprecation is supposed to do, force > > people to update their code. > > If you force people to do something, by definition it is not "Backwards > Incompatible Changes: None". If it were none, people would not be forced > to do anything. > > > Regarding the notice level, it's a bit confusing picking one. > > E_DEPRECATED, E_STRICT, E_NOTICE... I'm not sure what it should be. > > You should write all the details in the RFC. If you are not sure what to > choose, write "I am not sure which one to choose here, options are X, Y > and Z". > -- > Stas Malyshev > smalyshev@gmail.com > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > --089e08223fec9412700565005407--