Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101793 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 61442 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2018 20:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Feb 2018 20:54:46 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.128.178 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.128.178 mail-wr0-f178.google.com Received: from [209.85.128.178] ([209.85.128.178:47084] helo=mail-wr0-f178.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 8A/68-49805-6161A7A5 for ; Tue, 06 Feb 2018 15:54:46 -0500 Received: by mail-wr0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 35so3390661wrb.13 for ; Tue, 06 Feb 2018 12:54:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:to:from:message-id; bh=3ZiH0K9bb1Eqv8yy/YAafU0Bia78KiF0i5vENaKheto=; b=qJCj1um77TWK5GEEejCtZhZWig0Z2YeSetk2ylCqU5qq7pKzMTazSGEjkDy7JcKtAj L0Cpk6nswYHSjHDxT/K1zuOed0lhtDLUR1gBjowfEqj0lIdktdwdIq5mhTv/NLkuX6L/ poJJFFtGr/u+ugEvKxXwwhpSHf6qB7hFfsSDuP1y6zQPu90wfetyMFDm7+c7b4PK0eHx YhLHwsfoPW9IQ9g9bJzv+MWolEpQhaJOrAqNT2fthCCg7j7p3hNyWPIV03+FZI2yCDw6 aYOvXIPvwVj4CxQneRoc/7hqQT9RYANHk9eWmEozuXJczrd382dx0jJLEii/QpTDq23W G2pw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:to:from:message-id; bh=3ZiH0K9bb1Eqv8yy/YAafU0Bia78KiF0i5vENaKheto=; b=ZQEqhIp3o3sM6aAn6YLEZZXSQtjiyNG7I72sAKsOYY7mFG0FCMLJ/e3minERQzK8eD t5SloOavHsHwPYKa/7y7gI5ExCFl4+khl1Rpf11+470Y6Z1JclEa1INz8YeN3+6iT5sH xmrth5vXDoQhRjUO795zeV7E+vRL6IqupiATtiClQaUu0+akf7gyceivrp4ondSjqWB7 oLEhpff3SxJt8CRIYzhBS/4REFCre5EjSH17duu4e5NBgpJX8lFeK4Fo7FohauYn9YzA aYRALR99TZw9SJBUMUY54Gca1RsjkDPUj2Jb7LGMotdJ/w3IRsy0gifnRDgDzt1cAVlH r2dA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCq0VFI2qvFiEnMG+Wpprp73OVM08KyI3sl+uSFqiOLaNNTe5B8 YFEJOdupU8WyEqvPc+GYIa8uKQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x2267V/Qvwm5IRoQN5N0k0xVPWVicq9lT/kMlesEUMmcH1cpWzbLo+3Eam0AwOBdC6hyxBC4BUA== X-Received: by 10.223.171.161 with SMTP id s30mr3614045wrc.160.1517950483314; Tue, 06 Feb 2018 12:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from android-c07b90b023759a5a (host31-48-151-88.range31-48.btcentralplus.com. [31.48.151.88]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 62sm3629923wrg.81.2018.02.06.12.54.42 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 06 Feb 2018 12:54:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 20:54:39 +0000 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <4026445.Wp3pesFrPl@vulcan> <28100667.gh41XH5Xuc@vulcan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: <8241EFDE-7510-49AD-997B-A0FB9B6ABD39@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV][RFC][DISCUSSION] Collection Inspection From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) On 6 February 2018 20:18:07 GMT+00:00, Michael Morris wrote: >I'm fine with this - I just want the inspector to be part of the >language >so that a hidden dependency isn't required=2E I may be being dumb, but I don't get why you keep referring to this as a "= hidden dependency"=2E It's a dependency, for sure, but why is it any more "= hidden" than any other utility library? Regards, --=20 Rowan Collins [IMSoP]