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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] null coalesce addition assignment operator ??+=
From: andreas@dqxtech.net (Andreas Hennings)

On 19 January 2018 at 16:12, Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Christoph M. Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> wrote:
>> On 18.01.2018 at 23:58, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
>>
>>>> I propose even more such operators:
>>>> null coalesce addition assignment ??+= (for strings and numbers)
>>>> null coalesce subtraction assignment ??-=
>>>> null coalesce increment ??++
>>>> null coalesce decrement ??--
>>>> null coalesce multiplication assingment ??*=
>>>
>>> I think this is taking it too far. If you want language like that, you
>>> always have APL :)
>>
>> Why do we discuss extensions to an operator which has still (after
>> nearly two years) not be implemented due to implementation difficulties?
>>
> Am I the only one who looked at the original post and assumed he was
> taking the piss?
> Similar to the jokes about spaceship assignment <=>= and
> equality/identicality assignment === (not to be confused with
> identical non-assign, which is ===) and ====.

I can definitely say it was not a joke.
I can see myself and others use the ??+= and also ??++, and would have
used them in the past, if they had been available.
The others, I don't care as much.

For me, a good enough conclusion of this conversation would be one of:
A: Yeah seems useful, but let's wait (or work) until ??= is
implemented and released, and observe how it is being used.
B: No one will ever use it, and it would hurt the language.