Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101590 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 81755 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2018 18:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2018 18:39:41 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=tendoaki@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=tendoaki@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.213.181 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: tendoaki@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.181 mail-yb0-f181.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.181] ([209.85.213.181:40149] helo=mail-yb0-f181.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 63/67-39025-BED565A5 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:39:40 -0500 Received: by mail-yb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id s10so7809188ybl.7 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:39:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=9WL9MESxS8yiWMtqjhhRMRqyxiLp2fwBKWv5qw9qVKg=; b=L/8COw4h8GIWBf1wscD/yur572mahh8uqgkLJBNLj7ES7QPQkgvGlQaHFOJg41gSa1 9m3ldlA9tZdyFGbpKMJ9YuG3jJaaULfE7vNroJP2hq/5fn7pcSiPEZ3yHZrdaoPIruWm SqZawR9kvEzpl8xiK0RDNyYWTJp/dSpqZWd26UJcaon5IuIPJ7YzL+dYx/ZVtSP4jhKw XkD546ONt93stXmBxa1cLk9WGS4Ri4ACglzHhw4g7fcHTRFb0iDQjWTZICz9Eu6IyE1/ wHKpUeJcqpNw1i/fdCEn0NiN0bZj9/sNCMqqs5lW6pxiOHtLRNG1BTVGWoYclAP1Rhoy /A9A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=9WL9MESxS8yiWMtqjhhRMRqyxiLp2fwBKWv5qw9qVKg=; b=r3oaGxw4aL0wD9CKZdebeVmBZNQf5WYKNATLS2Ag3kqhBw0SSJGPB2n1gJE/cpMU5R bUjaTBAPSALXnbiC7nwNSElsyPnSw2uqoP1ep6eLJOHifZmj62Ed+EW6TX7eA8HgNduC RdAqB4YGw0LBeIBYB1NIVq/T5Elt+xmBpel5lYQ9qANHdKhfaaWohV2UXmR/c5V15eZ9 P8AVdBqEgUVjKTGTNsKkxO1mRmoyiSAmzPw4iQQDZ1QrtL57afMwG//pVjMUirwdgNGu /7gJLJbMXEBwu2whnXms5cil90OKfJUWwIFMFK/ZXgMQgdxrhH0cminI8trgvI0jeeSc zm+g== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJEF4MLEoMcfRFAkQi9L887jon7Xcs2IJ1jWRPxvRnr8sbP0fe6 9Z9kvz8KzWd0yg+Cq3Y78yYz3epeC4rAEwbd7rg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotiICkgwqj6nFWz2f5S16sg0ONLGFVTGJoWkXmXQd7dUj7jxSlBJSk2zEe5jwz4KN/EsQCLEoQhed3971WzJYo= X-Received: by 10.37.220.148 with SMTP id y142mr18138838ybe.468.1515609576333; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:39:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.201.7 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:39:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9a3a8760-f65a-a5c0-b318-1830a9a986c3@gmail.com> <9352F6DF-9940-49A2-9B1D-FA9258E9738E@lerdorf.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:39:35 -0600 Message-ID: To: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c19181e6a696f0562705ac7" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax From: tendoaki@gmail.com (Michael Morris) --94eb2c19181e6a696f0562705ac7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Michael Morris > wrote: >> >> Also, drawing the architectural drawings for a skyscraper is also like >> only >> 10% of the work, but it's a damn important 10%. >> > > Wow, that's rather insulting to the amazing work Dmitry, Nikita, Xinchen > and others are doing working on the core of PHP. > No insult was intended here. I apologize if any is taken. > Describing the syntax/UI for a feature like this is nothing like the > architectural drawings for a skyscraper. > In terms of time and effort spent it is. It often takes years to complete plans drawn up over the span of weeks. The analogy becomes more firm when you compare the man hours on each side - an architect can draw up plans for a house in less than 100 hours (unless it's a freaking huge house). The contractor labor hours will be 100 times that at a minimum. If anything I'm off in scales, but I was being anecdotal - I wasn't aiming for precise accuracy. Plans still must precede work, and if the ramifications of those plans are to be far reaching they need to be agreed upon as early as possible. --94eb2c19181e6a696f0562705ac7--